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    I won't argue that Spider. I also like sudden death overtime for its simplicity. "Next point wins" is something everyone understands. I remember trying to explain the folkstyle OT procedure to my wife as it was happening on TV only to realize I didn't really get it either. Simplicity is something wrestling badly needs (though that's more of an issue in the international styes- and the new rules are a big step in the right direction).

    The biggest issue I have with the folkstyle OT procedure is that it goes to a riding time tiebreaker at some point. I wish they would wrestle until one guy outscores the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    The biggest issue I have with the folkstyle OT procedure is that it goes to a riding time tiebreaker at some point. I wish they would wrestle until one guy outscores the other.
    I don't care one way or the other about that; it's just a practical matter to get finished already. Back in the 60's when I wrestled there were no overtimes at all. Dual meet matches could end in a tie (two team points for each team) and tied tournament matches were decided by a referee's decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    I don't care one way or the other about that; it's just a practical matter to get finished already. Back in the 60's when I wrestled there were no overtimes at all. Dual meet matches could end in a tie (two team points for each team) and tied tournament matches were decided by a referee's decision.
    Spider--I remember those days and that scoring. I think it worked pretty well for dual meet scoring. But not for tournaments. I remember one time losing in the post-season tournament by a split referee's decision. What a tough way for your season to end! At least we don't have that any more!

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    Happened internationally too. Remember Angle/Jadidi? I remember hearing that Angle won his WTT final, world championship semi and final and Olympic final ALL be referee's decision.

    I prefer the following methods of resolving ties: unlimited sudden death OT > modified sudden death OT (as in folkstyle) > criteria > clinch > referee's decision, the worst of all tiebreaking methods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    I assume you mean starting neutral and first point scored wins - takedown, stalling, unsportsmanlike conduct, or whatever. If so, it reflects your preference for freestyle, where takedowns are emphasized. I like the current folkstyle overtime system where wrestling from all three positions is included, and if a good mat wrestler can avoid being taken down, he can win.
    A slight deviation from the topic, but I would even go so far as to say that if you are called for stalling in OT, you lose, even if it doesn't lead to a pt scored. TPTB really need to emphasize wrestling and not stalling. That to me is what is holding wrestling back as a spectator sport. Stay in the center and always move forward. Wrestle on the edge or back up and you get dinged. Stand your ground. I really don't understand why it can't be called that way. Stalling to me is very similar to what a Supreme Court justice once said about pornography, "You know it when you see it". Then call it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    when I wrestled there were no overtimes at all. Dual meet matches could end in a tie (two team points for each team) and tied tournament matches were decided by a referee's decision.
    Ditto

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    Based on the Russian nationals videos Akzent posted, Greco has par terre agains the guy who gets a passivity, like back in the old days. Good call IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Happened internationally too. Remember Angle/Jadidi? I remember hearing that Angle won his WTT final, world championship semi and final and Olympic final ALL be referee's decision.

    I prefer the following methods of resolving ties: unlimited sudden death OT > modified sudden death OT (as in folkstyle) > criteria > clinch > referee's decision, the worst of all tiebreaking methods.
    It is interesting to compare Judo with wrestling. Just like wrestling Judo has been going through radical rule changes in the last 5 years or so prompted by conerns (demands) rasied by the IOC.
    In general the changes have not been popular, but one change that is positive has been the tiebreaker rules.
    Originally a tie at the end of regulation was a referee's decision, then a they added a sudden death OT and if it was tied at the end of the OT then it went to referee's decision. The latest rules allow unlimited sudden death OT and any score or penalty ends the match. Most of the penalties are some variation on stalling calls but are more specific nad in my opinion easier to call in Judo than wrestling.

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    Fila is tinkering again... apparently now they want techs to be 7 pts, which seems like primarily a time-saving measure until 2 day tournaments can be implemented (according to Dziedzic). Also they want 2 x 3 pt moves or a 5 pt move to end a match... but only if you score them when you are already winning... or something.

    FILA does't seem to realize that the constant tinkering is in itself more of a problem than any specific rule, and that in their quest to get things perfect they really make things worse (regardless of the value of any particular rule).

    The Twitter/Facebook/wrestling media crowd is very quickly and emphatically responding to the new rule changes. I strongly suggest everyone with interest get involved in the discussion. This might be the only time FILA will actually be receptive to imput regarding out sport's rules format.

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