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    Quote Originally Posted by jammen View Post
    Never disputed that fact. Just your bogus statements about Kokesh's record. At 27-2 and having faced 13 ranked wrestlers you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who has wrestled a tougher schedule, which is the exact opposite of what you posted twice.
    I'm speaking relatively here when I say he "hasn't beaten anyone."

    13 ranked wrestlers is fine. But you shouldn't just get the number 2 ranking through attrition. He never had one win that merited him jumping the likes of Perry/Evans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomWright25 View Post
    Aah, 1stplace. . .I agreed with you on Brown, but have to disagree here. I partially agree in that A Alton does rely too much on his throws at times (just as QW has done at times). But there is a lot more to AA than just his throws. He has great leg shots and scrambling ability. Don't know what happened last night against Tessari, but his potential is there. In the post-match interview Cody Sanderson said that they need to figure out what's going on with AA. But he's more than just a throwing specialist. There seem to be some similarities with QW 2 years ago. Hopefully the coaching staff can get him to work it through before NCAA's.

    Note: 1stplace, I see I misread your post. I thought you had written that basically all he can do is throw. Actually, I'm not quite sure how I missed it, as what you said was clear (guess I read it too quickly). But, yes, I have to agree that he doesn't have any great wins so far this year. So, I agree with you on both Brown and Alton.
    Watching an Andrew Alton that is "right" is a scary thing. The kid has through the roof potential and there is no doubt in my mind that he has the ability to be a champ before his career is over, but something isn't clicking right now. At this point in the season he has only really beaten up on weaker competition and lost to the couple guys of substance that he has faced. I just think that right now I wouldn't bet on him being an all-american but I also wouldn't be surprised to see him in the finals. Not trying to hate on the kid, he just needs to figure things out

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stplace View Post
    Watching an Andrew Alton that is "right" is a scary thing. The kid has through the roof potential and there is no doubt in my mind that he has the ability to be a champ before his career is over, but something isn't clicking right now. At this point in the season he has only really beaten up on weaker competition and lost to the couple guys of substance that he has faced. I just think that right now I wouldn't bet on him being an all-american but I also wouldn't be surprised to see him in the finals. Not trying to hate on the kid, he just needs to figure things out
    I fully agree. His "best wins" so far are: Sako (VA), Ervin (ILL) & Paddock (tOSU), not signature wins. The PSU coaching staff would agree that things aren't "right" right now for him. But, I'm reasonably optimistic that they'll get it worked out by NCAA's.

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    Tom you follow the Altons closely im sure. So, without watching them all the time, have both Dylan and Andrew always had issues with their gas tanks? I realize that they took significant time off after their ordeal, but I also remember them gassing in previous years too. Seems to me that is their main weakness because all the tools are there.

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    A lot of the tools are there, i wouldnt say "all." They both have their vices on the mat
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    Quote Originally Posted by dback_5 View Post
    Tom you follow the Altons closely im sure. So, without watching them all the time, have both Dylan and Andrew always had issues with their gas tanks? I realize that they took significant time off after their ordeal, but I also remember them gassing in previous years too. Seems to me that is their main weakness because all the tools are there.
    I'll give my thoughts, though Tom may disagree. Dylan's worst gassing event was at wrestle-offs his freshman year. He was trying to get to 141 as well, and looked great against Adam Lynch (steady but unspectacular) for about 3 minutes, and then his world ended. I think he was up by 3 or 4 near the end of the first period, then lost almost by major.
    In that instance, he was trying to cut too much weight, and they rightly red-shirted him for the year and he never even thought about 141 again. Since then, I have thought that he has typically looked good at the end of matches. I really can't recall him having tank issues at a reasonable weight.

    In his freshman year, A Alton looked great for the first half a year at 141, but admittedly, he was pinning a lot of people early. Then really started struggling late in the season - especially getting off bottom. Conventional wisdom was that he was struggling with the weight, maybe still growing, but also because he was going through his first full season of cutting weight. Again, conventional wisdom said he would be fine at 149 this year (with the RS in between).

    I'm actually more concerned about him now. Sueflohn was a tough match-up for the first match back, but AA absolutely died in that match and really has not looked good finishing any matches. Not that my eye is that good, but he doesn't look like an oversized 149 pounder, so I would think that he should be handling the weight pretty well. The fact that he is still struggling (sometimes very badly) late in matches has me worried.

    One difference between the two is that AA tends to go out fast and really try to get his throws in, so he is typically really active in the first period. DA is more of a match control guy, so I thin he uses up less early on - so it makes sense that he is finishing better. But AA shouldn't look as bad as he does in the 6th and 7th minute.

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    I think people are mistakenly assuming that Dylan does not have tank issues because it doesn't look as cartoonishly bad as Andrew's gassing looks. Dylan definitely seems to lose something near the end of the matches. Fortunately for him, James Green is more in the vein of what Andrew does.

    I'm not saying that Dylan's tank issues are devastating to what he does in the match. He just seems to be more sluggish and slow and breathing heavy by the third period often, to me. Andrew's issues are obviously catastrophic when he's facing top competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dback_5 View Post
    Tom you follow the Altons closely im sure. So, without watching them all the time, have both Dylan and Andrew always had issues with their gas tanks? I realize that they took significant time off after their ordeal, but I also remember them gassing in previous years too. Seems to me that is their main weakness because all the tools are there.
    dback: The first time I saw AA with gas tank issues was against Marion in the dual when he almost pinned Marion, and Marion owned the third period to eak out the win. In general, though, AA didn't seem to have fatigue issues, except maybe at the NCAA's that year. This year he pinned most of his guys until the Nebraska dual--that's where it showed up big time.

    DA was said to have wind issues last year. But in general I don't think that's true. He's won a lot of bouts late--Green multiple times, Jones, Sanjaa, Welch etc.

    What do I think? I think AA in particular gets him self over-pumped at times before matches and starts to burn himself out before the match starts (in key bouts). I don't think he has a fundamental conditioning problem. I think there must be something else going on too, but don't know what that is. I don't really think DA has any real gas tank issues, and I've been quite encouraged with him this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomWright25 View Post
    dback: The first time I saw AA with gas tank issues was against Marion in the dual when he almost pinned Marion, and Marion owned the third period to eak out the win. In general, though, AA didn't seem to have fatigue issues, except maybe at the NCAA's that year. This year he pinned most of his guys until the Nebraska dual--that's where it showed up big time.

    DA was said to have wind issues last year. But in general I don't think that's true. He's won a lot of bouts late--Green multiple times, Jones, Sanjaa, Welch etc.

    What do I think? I think AA in particular gets him self over-pumped at times before matches and starts to burn himself out before the match starts (in key bouts). I don't think he has a fundamental conditioning problem. I think there must be something else going on too, but don't know what that is. I don't really think DA has any real gas tank issues, and I've been quite encouraged with him this year.
    I know what its like getting yourself too jacked up for matches and then burning out before you should. I can understand DA gassing when he sucked to 141. Thats brutal when you cut too much or cant do it the right way. I remember watching Slaton against Fanthorpe in the dual when he got down to 133, and that was gut wrenching to watch.

    I was just wondering as it does seem that at least AA gasses quite a bit. And DA looked like he gassed against St John this year too. If they could keep high energy for 7 minutes I think they win a title one year as much as I hate to say it. They are very talented. And I agree Vais, maybe not ALL the tools, but definitely enough.

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