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    "the evidence is out there -most historians valued their jobs too much to say the truth ."

    List the historians, identify where they worked (the jobs that they VALUED so much), and name the superiors who threatened them.
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    Jauce Fresco and Robert Stinnet. I never said that the Japs were interested in pleasing the Morgans, you made that up yourself, the proof? due to the freedom of information act, and Bill Clinton, Robert Stinnet wrote a book called "day of deceit" this book proves that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor, and also proves your ignorance on the subject, and you unwillingness to accept any information that speaks against the government. You see FDR wanted to help England as it was and still is a major trade value and they buy millions of dollars worth of goods and store there money because of which man? our good friend JP Morgan. The problem was that FDR's campaign slogan was that we were not going to go into anymore wars, so in order to keep public support he had to make sure that japan fired the first shot. He planned this for months in advance with the ambassador of England, and if you need more blatant proof one of the generals serving at pearl harbor was worried that japan would attack the U.S., as they had seen the japan fleet coming tword pearl harbor. So in turn he orders a few battle ships to be sent out to protect the tankers and carriers. But a few days before the attack the white hous orders that they be sent back immediately. and then as hoped and expected on December, 7, 1941. the Japanese attacked pearl harbor which launched us into world war two.
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    This is from DISINFORMATION . I loaned out my copy so i do NOT have the names of the historians -i'll try to find my copy .
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    Quote Originally Posted by LkwdSteve View Post
    "the evidence is out there -most historians valued their jobs too much to say the truth ."

    List the historians, identify where they worked (the jobs that they VALUED so much), and name the superiors who threatened them.
    Google these 2 individuals -Admiral Husband E. Kimmel and Walter Short. Historian john Toland ''a small group of men , revered and held to be the most honorable by millions-wrote toland , had convinced themselves that it was necessary to act dishonorably for the good of their nation-and incited the war that Japan had tried to avoid ''

    Theobald,robert A. The Final Secret of Pearl Harbor-1954
    Toland,John. Infamy;Pearl Harbor and its Aftermath-1982
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    Let's see, who started with the name calling? Oh, it was you calling me an idiot. So I responded (a little over the top, I admit) in kind and said you need to remove the tin foil hat. Now I am sure both are in violation of a TOS or two, but then coming back wishing I was dead is way uncalled for. Now I realize you have your head planted firmly up your ass and you believe in every little conspiracy theory that runs down the pike, but do you really think our government is that competent to pull them all off?

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    I fart in your general direction
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    Google these 2 individuals -Admiral Husband E. Kimmel and Walter Short. Historian john Toland ''a small group of men , revered and held to be the most honorable by millions-wrote toland , had convinced themselves that it was necessary to act dishonorably for the good of their nation-and incited the war that Japan had tried to avoid ''

    Theobald,robert A. The Final Secret of Pearl Harbor-1954
    Toland,John. Infamy;Pearl Harbor and its Aftermath-1982
    You said historians.

    Admiral Husband E. Kimmel and Walter Short were not "historians who valued their jobs too much to say the truth". They were military officers.

    I await the list, which should include MOST historians of the time.
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    Why can everyone believe other countries use false flag ops all the time and yet our Govt. does NOT ?

    PEARL HARBOR
    MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES
    BBC Documentary: Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor

    "...everything that the Japanese were planning to do was known to the United States..." ARMY BOARD, 1944
    President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -

    1. denying intelligence to Hawaii (HI)
    2. on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the war was on
    3. having false information sent to HI about the location of the Japanese carrier fleet.

    BACKGROUND


    • 1904 - The Japanese destroyed the Russian navy in a surprise attack in undeclared war.
    • 1932 - In The Grand Joint Army Navy Exercises the attacker, Admiral Yarnell, attacked with 152 planes a half-hour before dawn 40 miles NE of Kahuku Point and caught the defenders of Pearl Harbor completely by surprise. It was a Sunday.
    • 1938 - Admiral Ernst King led a carrier-born airstrike from the USS Saratoga successfully against Pearl Harbor in another exercise.
    • 1940 - FDR ordered the fleet transferred from the West Coast to its exposed position in Hawaii and ordered the fleet remain stationed at Pearl Harbor over complaints by its commander Admiral Richardson that there was inadequate protection from air attack and no protection from torpedo attack. Richardson felt so strongly that he twice disobeyed orders to berth his fleet there and he raised the issue personally with FDR in October and he was soon after replaced. His successor, Admiral Kimmel, also brought up the same issues with FDR in June 1941.
    • 7 Oct 1940 - Navy IQ analyst McCollum wrote an 8 point memo on how to force Japan into war with US. Beginning the next day FDR began to put them into effect and all 8 were eventually accomplished.
    • 11 November 1940 - 21 aged British planes destroyed the Italian fleet, including 3 battleships, at their homeport in the harbor of Taranto in Southern Italy by using technically innovative shallow-draft torpedoes.
    • 11 February 1941 - FDR proposed sacrificing 6 cruisers and 2 carriers at Manila to get into war. Navy Chief Stark objected: "I have previously opposed this and you have concurred as to its unwisdom. Particularly do I recall your remark in a previous conference when Mr. Hull suggested (more forces to Manila) and the question arose as to getting them out and your 100% reply, from my standpoint, was that you might not mind losing one or two cruisers, but that you did not want to take a chance on losing 5 or 6." (Charles Beard PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT AND THE COMING OF WAR 1941, p 424)
    • March 1941 - FDR sold munitions and convoyed them to belligerents in Europe -- both acts of war and both violations of international law -- the Lend-Lease Act.
    • 23 Jun 1941 - Advisor Harold Ickes wrote FDR a memo the day after Germany invaded the Soviet Union, "There might develop from the embargoing of oil to Japan such a situation as would make it not only possible but easy to get into this war in an effective way. And if we should thus indirectly be brought in, we would avoid the criticism that we had gone in as an ally of communistic Russia." FDR was pleased with Admiral Richmond Turner's report read July 22: "It is generally believed that shutting off the American supply of petroleum will lead promptly to the invasion of Netherland East Indies...it seems certain she would also include military action against the Philippine Islands, which would immediately involve us in a Pacific war." On July 24 FDR told the Volunteer Participation Committee, "If we had cut off the oil off, they probably would have gone down to the Dutch East Indies a year ago, and you would have had war." The next day FDR froze all Japanese assets in US cutting off their main supply of oil and forcing them into war with the US. Intelligence information was withheld from Hawaii from this point forward.
    • 14 August - At the Atlantic Conference, Churchill noted the "astonishing depth of Roosevelt's intense desire for war." Churchill cabled his cabinet "(FDR) obviously was very determined that they should come in."
    • 18 October - diary entry by Secretary of Interior Harold Ickes: "For a long time I have believed that our best entrance into the war would be by way of Japan."
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
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    Why can everyone believe other countries use false flag ops all the time and yet our Govt. does NOT ?

    PEARL HARBOR
    MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES
    BBC Documentary: Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor

    "...everything that the Japanese were planning to do was known to the United States..." ARMY BOARD, 1944
    President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -

    1. denying intelligence to Hawaii (HI)
    2. on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the war was on
    3. having false information sent to HI about the location of the Japanese carrier fleet.

    BACKGROUND


    • 1904 - The Japanese destroyed the Russian navy in a surprise attack in undeclared war.
    • 1932 - In The Grand Joint Army Navy Exercises the attacker, Admiral Yarnell, attacked with 152 planes a half-hour before dawn 40 miles NE of Kahuku Point and caught the defenders of Pearl Harbor completely by surprise. It was a Sunday.
    • 1938 - Admiral Ernst King led a carrier-born airstrike from the USS Saratoga successfully against Pearl Harbor in another exercise.
    • 1940 - FDR ordered the fleet transferred from the West Coast to its exposed position in Hawaii and ordered the fleet remain stationed at Pearl Harbor over complaints by its commander Admiral Richardson that there was inadequate protection from air attack and no protection from torpedo attack. Richardson felt so strongly that he twice disobeyed orders to berth his fleet there and he raised the issue personally with FDR in October and he was soon after replaced. His successor, Admiral Kimmel, also brought up the same issues with FDR in June 1941.
    • 7 Oct 1940 - Navy IQ analyst McCollum wrote an 8 point memo on how to force Japan into war with US. Beginning the next day FDR began to put them into effect and all 8 were eventually accomplished.
    • 11 November 1940 - 21 aged British planes destroyed the Italian fleet, including 3 battleships, at their homeport in the harbor of Taranto in Southern Italy by using technically innovative shallow-draft torpedoes.
    • 11 February 1941 - FDR proposed sacrificing 6 cruisers and 2 carriers at Manila to get into war. Navy Chief Stark objected: "I have previously opposed this and you have concurred as to its unwisdom. Particularly do I recall your remark in a previous conference when Mr. Hull suggested (more forces to Manila) and the question arose as to getting them out and your 100% reply, from my standpoint, was that you might not mind losing one or two cruisers, but that you did not want to take a chance on losing 5 or 6." (Charles Beard PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT AND THE COMING OF WAR 1941, p 424)
    • March 1941 - FDR sold munitions and convoyed them to belligerents in Europe -- both acts of war and both violations of international law -- the Lend-Lease Act.
    • 23 Jun 1941 - Advisor Harold Ickes wrote FDR a memo the day after Germany invaded the Soviet Union, "There might develop from the embargoing of oil to Japan such a situation as would make it not only possible but easy to get into this war in an effective way. And if we should thus indirectly be brought in, we would avoid the criticism that we had gone in as an ally of communistic Russia." FDR was pleased with Admiral Richmond Turner's report read July 22: "It is generally believed that shutting off the American supply of petroleum will lead promptly to the invasion of Netherland East Indies...it seems certain she would also include military action against the Philippine Islands, which would immediately involve us in a Pacific war." On July 24 FDR told the Volunteer Participation Committee, "If we had cut off the oil off, they probably would have gone down to the Dutch East Indies a year ago, and you would have had war." The next day FDR froze all Japanese assets in US cutting off their main supply of oil and forcing them into war with the US. Intelligence information was withheld from Hawaii from this point forward.
    • 14 August - At the Atlantic Conference, Churchill noted the "astonishing depth of Roosevelt's intense desire for war." Churchill cabled his cabinet "(FDR) obviously was very determined that they should come in."
    • 18 October - diary entry by Secretary of Interior Harold Ickes: "For a long time I have believed that our best entrance into the war would be by way of Japan."
    Kudos to Roosevelt.

    When it comes to destroying a psychopathic megalomaniac like Adoph Hitler, any trick should be on the table.

    If Roosevelt wanted to ready the field by engineering a conflict with one of Hitler's allies first, that's fine with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LkwdSteve View Post
    You said historians.

    Admiral Husband E. Kimmel and Walter Short were not "historians who valued their jobs too much to say the truth". They were military officers.

    I await the list, which should include MOST historians of the time.
    Bump.
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