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    ODH, I did read the Tampa article first. Their opinion means no more to me than yours. They were probably too drunk to remember what it said too. Keep burrowing your head in the sand, you wouldn't want to actually find out you have been lied to.

    And just like other lies you have been fed, research it. It does sound retarded to oppose bike paths. But show me anyone who opposes Agenda 21 talk about bike paths. This probably came about because a farmers land was stolen from him and turned into a bike path or something very similar. But people only hear what the government wants to tell them. I'll almost guarantee that if you research it, the bike path thing leads back to government taking private property. It isn't about the path it's about your rights.
    Last edited by quinn14; 08-29-2012 at 10:44 PM.

  2. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by scuba31 View Post
    Keep drinking the kool aid quinn
    I actually just saw this and couldn't quit laughing. The fact that you can't even use a "on-liner" correctly ends all of my suspicsions about you. Heres a "drink the kool aid for dummies" cheat sheet for you.

    Drinking the kool aid is a reference to the people who followed a man named Jim Jones to form their own religious community. These people never questioned what they were told. One day, when the end of his lies were near, he told all his followers to form a line and drink kool aid. They did. They died. They never questioned.

    Say what you want about me, but trying to say I don't question things is the furthest from the truth. Which can only mean that you didn't even understand the insult you were trying to throw out there.

  3. #84

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    "...... property be taken or that there are even groups that are seriously advocating this?"

    I'm not sure socialists advocate this, but communists definitely do.


    Then there is emminent domain which is another story.
    DSCH: a Soviet artist's reply to unjust criticism.

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    "Quinn, up until the last 20 years, we did have society with the greatest proportion of the population somewhere in the middle. Now the bell curve has skewed where the greatest concentration of wealth is in the smallest percent of the population."

    This is a question that must be settled.

    Has wealth been squeezed out of the middle class and moved upward to the top of the pyramid? Yes or no?


    If we have agreement on this phenomenon, then discussion can follow:

    Why has this happened?

    Is this a good or bad thing?

    I EXPECT the initial question to be simple to answer.

    I HOPE folks can cast aside their tendency to be advocates when answering the second and third questions.


    This should become a matters of fact and answers should read like dispassionate history lessons.
    DSCH: a Soviet artist's reply to unjust criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LkwdSteve View Post
    Has wealth been squeezed out of the middle class and moved upward to the top of the pyramid? Yes or no?

    If we have agreement on this phenomenon, then discussion can follow:

    Why has this happened?

    Is this a good or bad thing?
    1. Yes, absolutely. The CBO numbers from earlier this year showed this to us painfully that all of the gains have gone to the top 20%, and especially the top 5%.

    2. A series of policies have led to this greater concentration of wealth, not the least withstanding the fact that those who write and change the tax laws are the ones benefiting most from them. Politicians aren't "common folk." There are endless reports to show that.

    3. No, it's not a good thing for a variety of reasons. One, too much concentration of power is never a good thing; it is best dispersed. Two, and most importantly, if you take all Americans who fall in the middle class, and depending on how we define middle clas, anywhere between 50-75% of Americans reside in the middle class. With that many folks not making a decent go of it and living in debt and on credit, the overall economy cannot and will not benefit from it. Simply put, put more money in the hands of the largest number of people who can spend it in the economy and the economy will improve FAR faster than putting it in the hands of only 5% of the population who aren't going to put it immediately into the economy (hedge fund managers). A no-brainer that we perpetually continue to get duped by.
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    Thank you, Ban.

    Of course I left off question number four for the moment ("how do we go about making it better?").

    Soooo..............does everyone agree that there has been a greater concentration of wealth into the top brackets over the last 20 years?

    Though this subject has been brought up on talk radio, I've yet to hear it denied or defended. The subject is skirted around. Let's not do that here!
    DSCH: a Soviet artist's reply to unjust criticism.

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    That's a good question Steve. I will give my opinion and I welcome any debate but if this turns into name calling a ridicule then I will no longer be interested. I already have Ban on ignore because he can't seem to stop with the stupid misspellings and childish nicknames. I don't mind disagreement but lets keep it civil.

    Has the middle class been squeezed out to the upper pyramid? I do agree that the middle class has shrunk bit I disagree on being "squeezed" out. The most basic reason why is because of how they define middle class. If your net worth is over a million dollars then you aren't middle class. But that wipes out most of the baby boomers who busted their ass for 40 years and saved and invested well. I 'm sure most of them aren't even aware that they're supposed to hate themselves for being "wealthy".

    Then you go to my generation "x". We were raised by dads in manufacturing jobs who wanted better for their children. To us, college was an expectation and not a privelege (sp?). I am one of many who chose college over the Navy just so I woildn't disappoint my dad. ("He's worked so hard to give you the opportunity that he didn't have" was a common theme for genx'ers). So how could a generation with college degrees (most of any generation in history BTW) work manufacturing jobs? We didn't. We created robots to do the work of humans and wiped out a lot of those jobs. Jobs moving overseas pales in comparison to jobs lost because of technology.

    But, just like buggy whip makers, people need to adapt and many haven't. Someone has to build the robot and someone has to fix the computer. Those are the new middle class jobs. Public schools should teach them or at least offer those like I had the choice to take autobody class back in the 80's. I don' t think society as a whole tries to help kids coming out of high school like they used too
    Uou used to be able to graduate on Friday and start your first dayturn at the mill the next Monday. That doesn't happen anymore. It never will. We need to start teaching things in school so a HS graduate can get a job.

    Those are just a few of my thoughts. I have more but don't want to hog anymore space.

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    "We need to start teaching things in school so a HS graduate can get a job."

    Ironically, something I just read that yesterday:

    In 1795, Immanuel Kant condemned European rulers for spending so much money on the military, intsead of focusing resources on public education.


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    "If your net worth is over a million dollars then you aren't middle class. But that wipes out most of the baby boomers who busted their ass for 40 years and saved and invested well."

    When I first read this I thought you were saying that the wealth of most baby boomers had been wiped out. But then you say they saved and invested well, in which case their wealth wouldn't have been "wiped out". So the phrase "wiped out" must refer to something else.

    You seem to be saying that most baby boomers have moved UP (in wealth), out of the middle class. That I don't believe. SOME boomers may have become wealthy enough to no longer be considered middle class, but certainly not MOST of them. Instead, I will make the claim that MOST boomers have lost some wealth over the last 20 years, and that, ON AVERAGE, boomers have bled wealth rather than gained it.

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    So, I'm unclear about your post.

    Your answer to question 1 is no, but then you proceed to answer question number 2 (as if you had answered question 1 in the positive).

    Do the top 5 percent of wealthiest citizens have an even greater percentage of the wealth of the nation, collectively, than they had 20 years ago? And at whose expense?

    I think your answer to question 1 might actually be yes, and that your answer to the question 2 (why?), is that our educational system has not reacted to economic realities. I suspect that is a part-answer (but how big a part?).
    DSCH: a Soviet artist's reply to unjust criticism.

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    I just got back from a fantastic Motley Crue concert that Kiss happened to show up to as well. So I'm a bit fuzzy on your questions but still awake.

    You keep refering to "question 1 or 2". I don't remember what order you put them in. My GENERAL statement was supposed to mean that defining people in certain classes can get sketchy because when you start putting hard numbers on them then some get moved to a spot you didn't intend. My example was the many baby boomers who have a net worth over the set amount that changes them from middle class to upper class. The exact number doesn't really matter. The fact that you put a number on people and judge them as a whole by that numberbis what really matters. And yes, I think most baby boomers have moved up in wealth. I base it off of how they are living now versus how they were living early on in their work life. Most have a comfortable retirement with something to leave their children. Thats more than most middle class families have if they were to die right now.

    Again, pardon me for forgetting numbered questions (Crue was great and my buddy bought beer so I indulged) but somewhere you sounded like you blamed the rich for sqeezing out the middle class. Maybe I don't understand what you mean because no rich man has ever stolen anything from me. Not even sure why anyone rich would bother with my pittance. I just don't get the "blame the successful"crap. It sounds like nothing more than jealousy. If Bill Gates were to give away his fortune right now, neither you or I would be affected. If he paid a higher tax rate, we would not be affected. The jealousy of the priveledged is a weight only the jealous carry.

    As to education, I feel our country and parents are failing our children. There are certain ways to teach certain children. Not all children are the same. So why are we so focused on standardized testing? The answer is because the federal government thinks it knows everything. And lazy voters have given them the right to take over their children's education.

    Sorry if I didn't hit upon everything you asked. I will look at you posts again after I sober up. I have a lot to say about education too. But I still have Kickstart My Heart ringing in my ears, 6 left over Natties and a front porch calling my name.

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