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    Penn State went from an average of 5th nationally and 15 top 10 finishes in the 15 years preceding Troy Sunderland ,to an average finish of 14th nationally and 4 top 10 finishes during Troy's tenure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnpsu View Post
    Penn State went from an average of 5th nationally and 15 top 10 finishes in the 15 years preceding Troy Sunderland ,to an average finish of 14th nationally and 4 top 10 finishes during Troy's tenure.
    yeah so penn state used to/ should be a powerhouse again. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    and Okla 31st in those hotbeds of wrestling. Woah! Must be some bad coaches out there. Off with their heads!
    There are many in Norman saying JUST that.

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    The OSU and Penn St scenarios are similar, but not the same. Russ resigned after many great years. Yes we had some tough years. But I am glad we didn't fire a young coach before he establishes himself.
    I believe that Penn St. will find a great coach, but will have much more competition throughout the big ten and the country.

    Most programs are on the rise, and while Penn St. does have an advantage, it is no different to Ohio St. Every college will come in and try to get the best from the best states. Herbert didn't go to Penn St, and Taylor isn't going to OSU. The Big Ten is just very tough, along with a rising Big 12. Average top 5 finishes will be tough for anyone soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Few schools ever get as high as third place. In 2007 Penn St finished 11th, and in 2006 9th. Not great. But not bad.

    Good argument about Ohio State, but then they may have found an exceptional coach. As I recall Ryan boosted Hofstra's fortunes as well.

    As for Spates, not too many years ago it seems like Okla was always surprising with a top 5 finish at the NCAAs.
    The point isn't that they found Ryan, it's that AD Gene Smith decided a change was needed in the first place. Then they picked Ryan.

    There were more than a few Hellickson supporters who were very upset and thought TOSU's performance during his tenure was just fine. Very much like your support (in the form of posting Penn St.'s NCAA finishes) of Sunderland on here.

    Others thought those Hellickson supporters were apologists and felt the TOSU record was in fact unacceptable. It was very much like the John Cooper record as the Ohio State football coach. He had national championship talent but couldn't get to the title game (besides not being able to beat Michigan). Yet overall it was a very, very good record. It simply was not up to the standard of what was POSSIBLE.

    Given the great grass roots wrestling in PA, best in the nation, why shouldn't Penn St, with it's resources, challenge for the national title consistently?
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    I'm not sure the Hellickson analogy is a good one. Considering where tOSU was when he took over;he left the program in much better shape with a national presence and new facilities.

    He also had to work under Andy Geiger for many years, which we know from his time at Maryland is not a great experience.
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    Note, everything published to date is rumor and speculation.

    With that said I find this situation entirely unique in today's world of NCAA athletics. You are either in or out as the coach. When was the last time a headcoach was given an ultimatium to decide how s/he was leaving and two weeks to decide how/when it is to be announced leaving the program somewhat in limbo ? AD's give coaches the option, but it's a 24 hour decision period, if not "tell me now", rather than offering 2 weeks. Is Curley being overly considerate because he's a former PSU athlete?

    Is it to give TS an opportunity to find an altenative to be announced with a resignation? Was there an offer of an alternative position in the athletic department and TS is not real happy about the position and that is what the hold up is about?

    Or, after an entirely frustrating year, releasing 3 top recruits and an unperforming season, was it TS that walked in a offered his resignation and Curley told him to not be rash, take two weeks to decompress and think about it ?

    Clearly, the AD is letting Sunderland handle the situation in his own way.

    Does anyone know when the TS contract expires? Usually if the there is a year left, the AD is obligated to the contract and it serves as a severance payment. If this is the last year of the contract, that could be the explanation - no future income source and Curley knows the impact this will have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WrestlingTerp View Post
    I'm not sure the Hellickson analogy is a good one. Considering where tOSU was when he took over;he left the program in much better shape with a national presence and new facilities.

    He also had to work under Andy Geiger for many years, which we know from his time at Maryland is not a great experience.
    The only analogy being offered is that Hellickson had strong supporters and strong detractors at the time of the change. Isn't that also the case with Sunderland? Some think his record is more than acceptable (see Matclone's post) others don't think so.

    I agree that the AD has an impact. Gene Smith seems to be doing a superior job and also seems to be a fan of wrestling in particular.
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