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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    As an aside-Florida's governor just cancelled Mandatory Drug tests for Welfare Recipients as a Supreme Court Judge weighed in saying the law would/could be declared unconstitutional . she argues that ALL urine tests should be confidential as opposed to the information and results being shipped to LEO and government agencies .(which is the norm ) . She further stated the policy of Testing for jobs may be declared unconstitutional as well . The pendulum has begun to swing back to more individual rights and away from intrusion . Problem is-the damage has been done for generations as once you get on a 'list' you are on there for life .
    I was against that from the start, but for a different reason. I was wondering who would pay for the tests. I'm sure it would have fallen on taxpayers.

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    Judge Puts Florida?s Welfare Drug Test Law on Hold

    Posted on Oct 24, 2011

    DEA Marijuana factored into the handful of positive results of Florida?s recently instituted government assistance drug test.
    Since last summer, applicants for government assistance in Florida have been required to pass a drug test before receiving federal help, but on Monday a federal judge temporarily blocked that measure in response to a lawsuit filed by the ACLU.
    AP via WRAL.com:
    Nearly 1,600 applicants have refused to take the test since testing began in mid-July, but they aren?t required to say why. Thirty-two applicants failed the test and more than 7,000 have passed, according to the Department of Children and Families. The majority of positives were for marijuana.
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    These stops have been around for years, someone must have challenged the constitutionality by now, right? Since there are still DUI checkpoints it would seem that the courts ruled these are constitutional. What about these rulings do you disagree with Quinn?
    I think the 4th amendment makes them unconsitutional. As far as judges upholding the decision, that's apples and oranges. It all depends on who is sitting in the judges seat. We all know that the constitution is a concrete document, yet there are differing opinions on how to "interpret" it. There shouldn't be any interpretation, IMO. If it says you have to have reasonable cause to detain someone, then dammit, you have to have reasonable cause. For some reason people have become okay with limiting their freedoms for "so called" safety. It is exactly what Benjamin Franklin said would destroy our freedoms. (Or was it Jefferson?)

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    Franklin-he who does not wish to fight for his freedoms does not deserve them-or close to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    First, I am against them because they are unconstitional. Then you add in the waste of money (not time) and it is even worse. As far as you not driving drunk b/c of random checks, are you serious? You would go ahead and drive drunk if the cops were just doing normal patrols without the stops? Surely you jest.
    Not jesting at all. There have been times when I've had a little to drink and probably could still drive better than 90% of the people on the road, and my blood alcohol was probably well below the legal limit, but I just didn't want to chance it. Either way, I do believe that random stops have a tremendous deterrent effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    There shouldn't be any interpretation, IMO. If it says you have to have reasonable cause to detain someone, then dammit, you have to have reasonable cause.
    But what is 'reasonable' is up to interpretation.

    What is the reasoning that these judges give when they OK DUI checkpoints that you disagree with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    But what is 'reasonable' is up to interpretation.

    What is the reasoning that these judges give when they OK DUI checkpoints that you disagree with?
    Reasonable means that you fit the profile of a person they are already looking for. Reasonable would be seeing a woman bleeding on the street with a stab wound and then seeing a guy with blood on his pants. Come on, you know what reasonable is. Stopping every single person who drives down a road is not reasonable. It is facist.

    I know you don't agree with stopping every mexican looking person and demanding ID, so why would you agree with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    Not jesting at all. There have been times when I've had a little to drink and probably could still drive better than 90% of the people on the road, and my blood alcohol was probably well below the legal limit, but I just didn't want to chance it. Either way, I do believe that random stops have a tremendous deterrent effect.
    So, in all honesty, you are saying that if cops were just doing their regular patrol, you would drive drunk? That doesn't seem reasonable.

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    GUYS-google in Florida Judge rules against Mandatory testing and you will NOT believe the many strange reactionss-VERY diverse !! to say the least .
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