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    I have known a lot of Mormons during my life and wrestled with a few in Highschool (he was a two time state champ in IA). Every mormon i have met have been the nicest people in the world and were in no way racist. I know there are extreemist in every religion but they are the execption and not the rule.

  2. #29

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    Speach by Gov. Young in Joint Session of the Legeslature.
    Feby. 5th 1852 giving his veiws on slavery.
    Again to the subject before us; as to The men bearing rule; not one of the children of old Cain, have one partical of right to bear Rule in Government affairs from first to last, they have no buisness there. this privilege was taken from them by there own transgressions, and I cannot help it; and should you or I bear rule we ought to do it with dignity and honour before God.

  3. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzyzx View Post
    Speach by Gov. Young in Joint Session of the Legeslature.
    Feby. 5th 1852 giving his veiws on slavery.
    Again to the subject before us; as to The men bearing rule; not one of the children of old Cain, have one partical of right to bear Rule in Government affairs from first to last, they have no buisness there. this privilege was taken from them by there own transgressions, and I cannot help it; and should you or I bear rule we ought to do it with dignity and honour before God.
    Wow, a quote from 1852, lots of progressive thought going on back then.

    Freakin Woodrow Wilson(From Stauton, VA) was a known racist and he was the US president in the From 1913-21.

    This is kind of an idiotic argument on your part.

    I love how you say it's hurting his recruiting considering the studs he's landed and the recruiting class rankings he's achieved.
    To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.

  4. #31

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    yes, the Brigham Young quote is older. It is from his time. He was a "Prophet of God" and taught blacks were inferior and slavery was OK and even the way of God. One sick individual in so many levels.
    More current are those I quoted earlier in this posting. Racism exists in mormons to a great extent. It is why I would never have a kid at BYU or competing for a Mormon coach.
    Yes, Cael can recruit and it remains to be seen if he can actually coach. I hope he learns and does well. I still think the legacy he is saddled with in his religious teachings hurts him and may have been part of the problems he has with Bobby Douglas and a few others.

    As for Warren Jeffs and the Fundamentalist Mormons, they practice the religion as Joseph Smith taught it. Doesn't matter if you believe what they do or go with the Salt Lake bunch, if you read what Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught you will end up with the Fundamentalist Mormons. Either way you are in bed with people who believe a man named Joseph Smith 'translated' a Book by looking at a magic peepstone in a hat. It doesn't get much nuttier than that.

  5. #32

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    zzyzx, where does your hatred of Mormons come from, were you taught this as a child? Remember in the time when Joseph Smith talked about blacks being inferior it was Christians who were buying and selling slaves. Things change, just look at the way different religions look at women these days comnpared to the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    zzyzx, where does your hatred of Mormons come from, were you taught this as a child? Remember in the time when Joseph Smith talked about blacks being inferior it was Christians who were buying and selling slaves. Things change, just look at the way different religions look at women these days comnpared to the past.
    Not only that, the Bible was used to defend the practice. This thread has nothing do with Cael Sanderson, and should be retitled, "I hate Mormons, and here's why..."

  7. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustyshackleford View Post
    should be retitled, "I hate Mormons, and here's why..."
    That can be made to happen...

  8. #35

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    "Hatred"? Nope, I have lived in Utah and Idaho for years. Have been on an LDS Mission and held a number of positions from teaching to leadership.
    Reality is simple. The teachings of The Prophets(Brigham and later mainly - Joseph Smith did not say much about blacks and even ordained some to The Priesthood) is simple. They taught it and they speak for God... if you believe that they are really Prophets, Seers and Revelators.

    Cael and brothers were raised in a heavily LDS environment in Utah where few blacks live. Racism is part and parcel to the State and culture. I know they chose Iowa State, at least the younger brothers did in following Cole there. Might have been a scholarship deal but I think it was because Bobby Douglas was/is one hell of a coach and they felt he would help them succeed.

    I think the culture/religion hurts Cael and most LDS in relation to any "minority" group. How can it not? The Book of Mormon and other LDS Scriptures teach very plainly that a black/dark skin is a sign of "loathsome" people. You can't get around that. Couple it with the belief that joining the LDS Church can work in turning the skin color "White and Delightsome"(at least for Indians - Lamanites in LDS teachings where the Indians are descended from Jewish migrants to the Americas) and you have a built in prejudice. It takes a lot to get past that if one has grown up in the envornment and teachings.

    I was lucky. A military family and only later due to job transfers to Utah. I grew up with all colors and creeds and it was just fine. In moving to Utah I watched as a black friend had kids in the grocery store comu up to him and touch his skin and look at their fingers to see what happened! He said 'I get used to it'. I would have yelled at the kids parents for the insult.

    There is no way I would send a kid to wrestle at a LDS college or for a coaching staff mainly composed of LDS. Too much hypocricy there and too much baggage.
    I don't hate Mormons but I sure don't trust "Utah Mormons" at all. Do business with the LDS Church and see how fast that sinks in. Go and hang around BYU and see how things really are at a "University" where the Religion Dept teaches the Sciences are apostate unbelievers because they teach Evolution and the Science departments laugh at the religious fools. BYU scores very low on academic freedom and the repressive atmosphere is one reason.

    The leaders have taught "Truth" and no recent statements can change that. So, those who don't like it, please show me the Revelation that gave the blacks the Priesthood. It is not in LDS canon, just announced as BYU was having problems scheduling basketball and football. It is money driven, nothing more.

  9. #36

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    So all your hatred towards Sanderson is based on what you think he believes and you have no proof what-so-ever that he is racist. Awesome!
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

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