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    Default Toughest Group of National Champions 1999-2013? Only one way to find out!

    2000 vs 1999
    125-Jeremy Hunter (Penn State) 125-Stephen Abas (Fresno State)
    133-Eric Juergens (Iowa) 133-Eric Guerrero (Oklahoma State)
    141-Carl Perry (Illinois) 141-Doug Schwab (Iowa)
    149-Tony Davis (Northern Iowa) 149-TJ Williams (Iowa)
    157-Brett Matter (Pennsylvania) 157-Casey Cunningham (Central Michigan)
    165-Donny Pritzlaff (Wisconsin) 165-Kirk White (Boise State)
    174-Byron Tucker (Oklahoma) 174-Glenn Pritzlaff (Penn State)
    184-Cael Sanderson (Iowa State) 184-Cael Sanderson (Iowa State)
    197-Brad Vering (Nebraska) 197-Tim Hartung (Minnesota)
    285-Brock Lesnar (Minnesota) 285-Stephen Neal (Cal-State Bakersfield)

    2002 vs 2001
    125-Stephen Abas (Fresno State) 125-Stephen Abas (Fresno State)
    133-Johnny Thompson (Oklahoma State) 133-Eric Juergens (Iowa)
    141-Aaron Holker (Iowa State) 141-Michael Lightner (Oklahoma)
    149-Jared Lawrence (Minnesota) 149-Adam Tirapelle (Illinois)
    157-Luke Becker (Minnesota) 157-TJ Williams (Iowa)
    165-Joe Heskett (Iowa State) 165-Donny Prizlaff (Wisconsin)
    174-Greg Jones (West Virginia) 174-Josh Koscheck (Edinboro)
    184-Rob Rohn (Lehigh) 184-Cael Sanderson (Iowa State)
    197-Cael Sanderson (Iowa State) 197-Mark Munoz (Oklahoma State)
    285-Tommy Rowlands (Ohio State) 285-John Lockhart (Illinois)

    2004 vs 2003
    125-Jason Powell (Nebraska) 125-Travis Lee (Cornell)
    133-Zach Roberson (Iowa State) 133-Johnny Thompson (Oklahoma State)
    141-Cliff Moore (Iowa) 141-Teyon Ware (Oklahoma)
    149-Jesse Jantzen (Harvard) 149-Eric Larkin (Arizona State)
    157-Matt Gentry (Stanford) 157-Ryan Bertin (Michigan)
    165-Troy Letters (Lehigh) 165-Matt Lackey (Illinois)
    174-Chris Pendleton (Oklahoma State) 174-Robbie Waller (Oklahoma)
    184-Greg Jones (West Virginia) 184-Jake Rosholt (Oklahoma State)
    197-Damion Hahn (Minnesota) 197-Damion Hahn (Minnesota)
    285-Tommy Rowlands (Ohio State) 285-Steve Mocco (Iowa)

    2006 vs 2005
    125-Joe Dubuque (Indiana) 125-Joe Dubuque (Indiana)
    133-Matt Valenti (Pennsylvania) 133-Travis Lee (Cornell)
    141-Nate Gallick (Iowa State) 141-Teyon Ware (Oklahoma)
    149-Dustin Schlatter (Minnesota) 149-Zack Esposito (Oklahoma State)
    157-Ben Cherrington (Boise State) 157-Ryan Bertin (Michigan)
    165-Johny Hendricks (Oklahoma State) 165-Johny Hendricks (Oklahoma State)
    174-Ben Askren (Missouri) 174-Chris Pendleton (Oklahoma State)
    184-Shane Webster (Oregon) 184-Greg Jones (West Virginia)
    197-Jake Rosholt (Oklahoma State) 197-Jake Rosholt (Oklahoma State)
    285-Cole Konrad (Minnesota) 285-Steve Mocco (Oklahoma State)


    2008 vs 2007
    125-Angel Escobedo (Indiana) 125-Paul Donahoe (Nebraska)
    133-Coleman Scott (Oklahoma State) 133-Matt Valenti (Pennsylvania)
    141-Jeff Jaggers (Ohio State) 141-Derek Moore (UC Davis)
    149-Brent Metcalf (Iowa) 149-Gregor Gillespie (Edinboro)
    157-Jordan Leen (Cornell) 157-Trent Paulson (Iowa State)
    165-Mark Perry (Iowa) 165-Mark Perry (Iowa)
    174-Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh) 174-Ben Askren (Missouri)
    184-Mike Pucillo (Ohio State) 184-Jake Herbert (Northwestern)
    197-Phil Davis (Penn State) 197-Josh Glenn (American)
    285-Dustin Fox (Northwestern) 285-Cole Konrad (Minnesota)

    2010 vs 2009
    125-Matt McDonough (Iowa) 125-Troy Nickerson (Cornell)
    133-Jayson Ness (Minnesota) 133-Franklin Gomez (Michigan State)
    141-Kyle Dake (Cornell) 141-Jeff Jaggers (Ohio State)
    149-Brent Metcalf (Iowa) 149-Darrion Caldwell (NC State)
    157-JP O'Connor (Harvard) 157-Jordan Burroughs (Nebraska)
    165-Andrew Howe (Wisconsin) 165-Jarrod King (Edinboro)
    174-Jay Borschel (Iowa) 174-Steve Luke (Michigan)
    184-Max Askren (Missouri) 184-Jake Herbert (Northwestern)
    197-Jake Varner (Iowa State) 197-Jake Varner (Iowa State)
    285-David Zabriskie (Iowa State) 285-Mark Ellis (Missouri)


    2012 vs 2011
    125-Matt McDonough (Iowa) 125-Anthony Robles (Arizona State)
    133-Logan Stieber (Ohio State) 133-Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State)
    141-Kellen Russell (Michigan) 141-Kellen Russell (Michigan)
    149-Frank Molinaro (Penn State) 149-Kyle Dake (Cornell)
    157-Kyle Dake (Cornell) 157-Bubba Jenkins (Arizona State)
    165-David Taylor (Penn State) 165-Jordan Burroughs (Nebraska)
    174-Ed Ruth (Penn State) 174-Jon Reader (Iowa State)
    184-Steve Bosak (Cornell) 184-Quentin Wright (Penn State)
    197-Cam Simaz (Cornell) 197-Dustin Kilgore (Kent State)
    285-Tony Nelson (Minnesota) 285-Zach Rey (Lehigh)


    2013 vs BYE 125-Jesse Delgado (Illinois)
    133-Logan Stieber (Ohio State)
    141-Kendric Maple (Oklahoma)
    149-Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State)
    157-Derek St. John (Iowa)
    165-Kyle Dake (Cornell)
    174-Chris Perry (Oklahoma State)
    184-Ed Ruth (Penn State)
    197-Quentin Wright (Penn State)
    285-Tony Nelson (Minnesota)


    Ill post my picks match by match after I hear everyones opinions!
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    Default Re: Toughest Group of National Champions 1999-2013? Only one way to find out!

    I'll take 1999 against any other year.

    125-Stephen Abas (Fresno State)
    133-Eric Guerrero (Oklahoma State)
    141-Doug Schwab (Iowa)
    149-TJ Williams (Iowa)
    157-Casey Cunningham (Central Michigan)
    165-Kirk White (Boise State)
    174-Glenn Pritzlaff (Penn State)
    184-Cael Sanderson (Iowa State)
    197-Tim Hartung (Minnesota)
    285-Stephen Neal (Cal-State Bakersfield)
    "He beat nobodies..Thorn at 133 won't be great, R12 or worse imo...
    I just don't see it...David Thorn is not elite. I don't think he'll place"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jammen View Post
    I'll take 1999 against any other year.

    125-Stephen Abas (Fresno State)
    133-Eric Guerrero (Oklahoma State)
    141-Doug Schwab (Iowa)
    149-TJ Williams (Iowa)
    157-Casey Cunningham (Central Michigan)
    165-Kirk White (Boise State)
    174-Glenn Pritzlaff (Penn State)
    184-Cael Sanderson (Iowa State)
    197-Tim Hartung (Minnesota)
    285-Stephen Neal (Cal-State Bakersfield)
    That 1999 class is hard to beat! Doing all the years is a bit much for me, so I'll try the "hardest" to predict 2011-2012:

    125--Robles (since they already wrestled)
    133--Oliver (going against their finals result--thought Oliver actually won that one too!)
    141--I'm picking Russell in a close one!
    149--Dake (I think this happened one time, didn't it? I'm betting Dake would have ridden the Tank tough!)
    157--Dake
    165--Burroughs (much as I like Taylor, can't go against Burroughs, especially with his recent freestyle win!)
    174--Ruth (I'm not sure that had they wrestled Reader's SR year 2011, Ruth would have won; but the Ruth of 2012 would have won I believe)
    184--Wright (Bosak did win that year, but their careers aren't too close)
    197--Kilgore
    Hwt--Nelson

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    Default Re: Toughest Group of National Champions 1999-2013? Only one way to find out!

    Won't be totally sold on Ruth until he starts winning medals at the US open/WTT's. I know it's a different style- and Ruth is definitely akward on the mat in freestyle- but still... he's geting taken down a lot.

    BTW Reader beat him at the Open a couple weeks ago.

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    Default Re: Toughest Group of National Champions 1999-2013? Only one way to find out!

    Quote Originally Posted by TomWright25 View Post
    ..149--Dake (I think this happened one time, didn't it? I'm betting Dake would have ridden the Tank tough!)
    ..
    HA! I was just about to reply to inform you that they did meet when I realized that you are joking
    Last edited by ODH; 05-01-2013 at 10:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    HA! I was just aboutto reply to inform you that they did meet when I realized that you are joking
    Yes, I was very aware of that match. What a beat down! And I still picked Taylor all 3 times this year against Dake! And, if he wrestles Burroughs this year in freestyle I'll pick Burroughs. Some of us are slow learners!

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    The early teams are well before I started following wrestling, so I'll give a shot at 2005 onwards.

    2006 vs 2005
    125-Joe Dubuque (Indiana) over Joe Dubuque (2005) no particular reason but I'll give senior Joe an edge
    133-Matt Valenti (2006) over Travis Lee (2005) Lee was great, but I'd give Valenti the edge.
    141-Nate Gallick (2006) over Teyon Ware (2005) No brainer here, GAllick had Wares number.
    149-Dustin Schlatter (2006) over 149-Zack Esposito (2005): Another easy one, Schlatter defeated Espo twice the year he won his title/
    157-
    Ryan Bertin (2005) over Ben Cherrington (2006) I honestly know very little about either of these two, but I know Cherrington won it the year that all of the top seeds lost early, and he was seeded very low.
    165-Johny Hendricks (2006) over Johny Hendricks (2005) I'll give Hendricks the elder the edge
    174- Chris Pendleton (2005) over
    Ben Askren (2006). THis one is an interesting hypothetical-- would Ben have ever been able to get over the Pendleton hump if they'd competed together for longer? My gut feeling is maybe, but I wouldnt pick this year. Pendelton simply had his number
    184-Greg Jones (2005) over
    Shane Webster (2006) Greg Jones is one of the all time greats, hard to see him losing this one.
    197-Jake Rosholt (2006) over Jake Rosholt (2005) unlike some other repeat finalists where I think it might be a toss up year to year, I do believe that 2006 Rosholt showed significant improvement over 2005 version.
    285-Cole Konrad (2006) over Steve Mocco (2005) PRetty sure Konrad beat Mocco in the finals in 2006, so no question in my mind on this one.

    2006 Edges it out 6-4


    2008 vs 2007
    125-Angel Escobedo (Indiana) 125-Paul Donahoe (Nebraska) Angel was simply a better wrestler then Paul, and even though their overall careers are very comparable, I think that Angel was better than Paul every single year they were in the same weight class.
    133-Coleman Scott (Oklahoma State) 133-Matt Valenti (Pennsylvania) I do think Scott would have had a chance here, but Valenti beat him in the finals the year before, and I would have given him a good chance to do it again
    141-Jeff Jaggers (Ohio State) 141-Derek Moore (UC Davis) Moore accomplished the rare feet of scoring a techfall in the ncaa finals against Ryan Lang (who went on to DNP next year). Lang was a wildman and often wrestled recklessly and with little matt awareness. Jaggers was practically the complete opposite, and I think he would take this comfortably.
    149-Brent Metcalf (Iowa) 149-Gregor Gillespie (Edinboro) I think this is one of the more lopsided matchups. Gregor was a great wrestler, but he made the finals on a controversial upset of Schlatter, and then a quadruple overtime win over Churella of Michigan. I suspect Metcalf would have majored both these guys
    157-Jordan Leen (Cornell) 157-Trent Paulson (Iowa State) I think this one is close, but I'm going to give it to Jordan Leen on account of how I'm a fan
    165-Mark Perry (Iowa) 165-Mark Perry (Iowa) This is one of the somewhat uncommon cases where I think the younger version takes it home. Perry was very dinged up as a senior and had some pretty close matches (including a loss) to Tannenbaum before beating him in the finals. Junior Perry was healthier, and pulled off one of the biggest upsets of the last decade in his finals match.
    174-Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh) 174-Ben Askren (Missouri) Askren tooled Gavin in the finals the year before and I believe had pinned himin the past, this one isn't close.
    184-Mike Pucillo (Ohio State) 184-Jake Herbert (Northwestern) We got to see this match next year when Herbert came back from his Olympic shirt, and he won comfortably.
    197-Phil Davis (Penn State) 197-Josh Glenn (American) Davis was on a roll this year, and he won the weight while Glenn placed 5th. PRetty straight forward.
    285-Dustin Fox (Northwestern) 285-Cole Konrad (Minnesota) Conrad takes this easily in somewhat of a lopsided snoozer. I didn't even think Fox deserved to win this year, he literally stood around like a big blob while Bergman pushed the pace, then ended up getting a pancake takedown in double SV.

    I've got this one as a tie 5-5. Most of the matches aren't that close, I think the real tiebreakers would be 133 and 157

    2010 vs 2009
    125-Matt McDonough (Iowa) 125-Troy Nickerson (Cornell) Yes McDono did win a weight that Nickerson competed in, but he had to face neither Esco nor Nickerson. Its no secret that Nickerson was struggling mightily with his shoulder at this point, and it showed in his upset loss to santaite. I think a healthier Junior Nickerson would have taken this match.
    133-Jayson Ness (Minnesota) 133-Franklin Gomez (Michigan State) I believe Gomez might hold one victory over ness, but Jayson had his number pretty consistently throughout their college careers. The year Ness won, Gomez took 3rd.
    141-Kyle Dake (Cornell) 141-Jeff Jaggers (Ohio State) I might run into disagreement on this one, but I do like Jaggers in this matchup. Dakes accomplishments are incredible, but lets not forget that he lost multiple times as a freshman, and was a far cry from the dominant force he was in following years. I think Senior Jaggers would be just a little too much for Freshman Dake
    149-Brent Metcalf (Iowa) 149-Darrion Caldwell (NC State) I don't know that if they met again Caldwell would ever have won, but if 2010 Metcalf had wrestled the 2009 finals match I suspect the result would have been the same.
    157-JP O'Connor (Harvard) 157-Jordan Burroughs (Nebraska) Burroughs is proving to be one of the best wrestlers of all time, I dont think he would have strugled much with O'Connor
    165-Andrew Howe (Wisconsin) 165-Jarrod King (Edinboro) I dont remember if King beat Howe the year he won, but Howe won in 2010 when King took 3rd, and I think he was all around the better wrestler.
    174-Jay Borschel (Iowa) 174-Steve Luke (Michigan) One of the hardest weight classes to pick in my opinion. I do think Luke was a step above, although it was very close
    184-Max Askren (Missouri) 184-Jake Herbert (Northwestern) 184 was pretty wide open the year Max won it, Herbert had the weight class on lockdown and ended up taking home the hodge if I recall correctly.
    197-Jake Varner (Iowa State) 197-Jake Varner (Iowa State) Give older Varner the edge
    285-David Zabriskie (Iowa State) 285-Mark Ellis (Missouri) I might have this wrong, but didnt Zabriskie beat ellis about 5000 times in college? I think it was one of the more lopsided rivalries

    2009 takes it 6-4

    2012 vs 2011
    125-Matt McDonough (Iowa) 125-Anthony Robles (Arizona State) Would McD with another year under his belt have given Robles a harder time? Probably, but I still think Robles takes it. By the end of his career he had figured out a style that was almost impossible to compete with
    133-Logan Stieber (Ohio State) 133-Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State) This one does pain me a bit. As much as I think Oliver should have won their finals meetin, the win did go to Stieber. Also I think Stieber improved notably between his freshman and sophmore years, and I think he might have had the slight edge in this match.
    141-Kellen Russell (Michigan) 141-Kellen Russell (Michigan) I think this one is pretty comparable but I'll give it to senior Russel.
    149-Frank Molinaro (Penn State) 149-Kyle Dake (Cornell) We saw this matchup in one of the finals and it wasn't even close. I dont think another year would have made a difference.
    157-Kyle Dake (Cornell) 157-Bubba Jenkins (Arizona State) Dake has the distinction of being the first guy on here to win in two seperate years (all the other two time champs have faced themselves)
    165-David Taylor (Penn State) 165-Jordan Burroughs (Nebraska) As good as Taylor is, he is no Burroughs
    174-Ed Ruth (Penn State) 174-Jon Reader (Iowa State) Ruth would have had a good shot here as a freshman imo, although Reader might have won. As a Sophmore? I think Ruth cruises.
    184-Steve Bosak (Cornell) 184-Quentin Wright (Penn State) I know that this is going against my previous logic of "X won against Y in the finals, so X is better". But I really do think Wright was just the better wrestler here. He won the weight while Bosak placed lower. He lost to him the following year, but that was after dominating him during the regular season (and from what I remember there was quite a bit of controversy in the finals as well).
    197-Cam Simaz (Cornell) 197-Dustin Kilgore (Kent State) My heart wants to say Cam, but I can't ignore the fact that Kilgore beat him both during the semis and the regular season the year they were both in the same bracket.
    285-Tony Nelson (Minnesota) 285-Zach Rey (Lehigh)
    Nelson beat Rey in the finals the following year and has won another title since

    5-5 split for me on this one as well
    Last edited by LoSt; 05-05-2013 at 06:11 AM.
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