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    Re: A Simple Defense of Universal Healthcare

    Ugly- as I am sure you already know the Constitution does not only give the Legislature powers, and specifically outlaws certain types of powers, it also gives what have been known as the implied...
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    Re: A Simple Defense of Universal Healthcare

    Not a shot at the military at all. Just pointing out that the tag of socialism is tired and rhetorically meaningless in this conversation. Common defense, is rooted in the french word comun for...
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    Re: A Simple Defense of Universal Healthcare

    Back to my original post- you could use your logic to say that a federal army is socialism, or a community supported fire department is socialism, or a community police department is socialism. Or...
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    Re: A Simple Defense of Universal Healthcare

    For me, this is a red herring. This is not something I advocate at all.
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    Re: A Simple Defense of Universal Healthcare

    I will say this... Ugly was willing take up the point of my original post. Does healthcare fall into a similar category as defense, police and fire?
    She had Constitutional qualms about it, but...
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    Re: A Simple Defense of Universal Healthcare

    Government started getting involved in the 70s to control costs. That is when a Republican/Conservative Richard Nixon attempted to push federal universal healthcare to cut costs- so much for his "New...
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    Re: A Simple Defense of Universal Healthcare

    We already over spend for poor results compared to "non private systems." The world wide data would indicate that private is the costly route. This does not have to mean medicaid for everyone- it...
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    Re: A Simple Defense of Universal Healthcare

    Agreed, universal does not necessarily mean federal.
  9. Re: A few thoughts about freedom of religion and health insurance.

    Jefferson speaks about his views of the bible often, but the pile of crap bit I get from a letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819:

    “[T]he greatest of all the Reformers of the depraved religion of...
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    Re: A Simple Defense of Universal Healthcare

    Maybe you did not manage to finish the post, but I compare health to military, fire and police. I would be interested in how you react to the logic of it.

    I with hold comment on your distinction...
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    A Simple Defense of Universal Healthcare

    This was in a different thread, but I thought I would detach it and get some feedback from others. In my opinion, we never discuss healthcare reform, but instead argue about health care financing...
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    Hey, we are getting to agreement. I do not condemn ideas in the D of I, because a slave holder wrote it. I take those ideas and let them live on in new ways, independent of anything else in his life...
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    Kind of a stretch don't you think?

    Do we ignore the Declaration of Independence because Jefferson owned slaves?
    Do we ignore Truman, Harding and Robert Byrd because he joined the KKK?
    Should I...
  14. Re: A few thoughts about freedom of religion and health insurance.

    lol, I do not know what I was thinking when I name dropped Sanger. I knew that would derail the whole thing.

    However, I must admit to one thing. As a working class father with a daughter, I do...
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    Oh, believe me I know Sanger is a complicated individual and her association with Eugenics is not breaking news. However, Ideas are independent of the characters that speak them, and her position on...
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    nyg
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    Ugly- religious such as Quakers, Mennonites, Amish are just a few of the conscientious objectors who are often exempt from direct military service, but required to pay the tax, and in some cases...
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    Exactly! People are always wanting government to do something they can do for themselves.

    Quinn, I think we also have a fundamental difference in our views about the role of government in society....
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    The government is trying to get this through by saying that all women need and deserve this service. Yet they don't demand sun block for an even bigger problem.

    Quinn, perhaps I can offer some...
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    Quinn, thanks for taking the time to read the post.

    I think where we significantly differ is in the idea of religious freedom. In my opinion, where rights of individuals cross the rights of...
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    Re: the REAL NEWS and war with Iran

    Remember MAD was created under Nixon/Kissinger, who argued it would work because the USSR was not a revolutionary power bent on world domination, but just another country with its own interests in...
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    Re: the REAL NEWS and war with Iran

    Probably not your favorite news source, but they do give you a different take on politics- Al Jazeera ran a story about the politics of Iran and made this conclusion:

    The embargo actually...
  23. A few thoughts about freedom of religion and health insurance.

    I am certainly all for the idea of religious freedom, but I am also in favor of the separation of church and state. To me religious freedom means first- the right of individuals to make their own...
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    Re: How much is enough?

    As a devout conservative Republican I will default to the level at which the greatest postwar president was comfortable at- Eisenhower's 92% or so.
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    Re: Ankle hook ride?

    Other names include a scoop, or Iowa ride or bulldog ride. You can 3/4 nelson (what you described) or better yet, make them defend the 3/4 and then pull the ankle out to a near cradle when they go...
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