Anti-Immigrant Sentiment

Tight-Waist · 05-06-2008, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by matclone

Some factoids on the government services claim gleaned from my study of the issue:

Unauthorized immigrants are barred from virtually all federal benefits, including food stamps, Social Security, and Medicare.

They are barred from many state benefits (almost a complete ban in Colorado for example).

What they are not barred from is K-12 education and emergency hospital benefits. One might consider the effects (including residual costs) if we were to bar them from these benefits (the K-12 bar has been deemed unconstitutional).

Unauthorized immigrants pay income, Social Security, sales, and property (directly or indirectly) taxes.

Where public services are available to immigrants (authorized or unauthorized), studies show that they use fewer services than U.S. citizens.

Sources:
The New Americans (The Natl Academy of the Sciences) (1996)
Bell Policy Institute (2006)
Plyler v. Doe, US SCt (1982)

The are NOT barred free education, thus the become a burden on already financially strapped school districts

They are NOT barred free medical care at any hospital emergency room, thus they become a huge burden on healthcare facilities.

Their children who are born here are NOT barred medicare, food stamps and social security, thus they become added burdens to those programs.

Tight-Waist · 05-06-2008, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by ban basketball

What really is at issue here? Is it the legal status? I don't know how it could be, as we all break the law and we all ignore illegal actions from those whom we like.

Furthermore, we were perfectly comfortable with illegally taking the U.S. from the American Indians and breaking treaties with them.

So, why such strong, virulent opposition?

The opposition has been explained to you over and over an over. The fact that you still do not understand proves you have tuned out that which you do not want to hear.

So why do you even bother to post on this thread.

ctc · 05-06-2008, 09:58 AM

Oh the horribleness of it all. I think this whole world should be a socialists society. Let all of our money go to the government for a world-wide distribution. Then, the only thing ban would complain about is telling Irish jokes.

Tight-Waist · 05-06-2008, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by ctc

Oh the horribleness of it all. I think this whole world should be a socialists society. Let all of our money go to the government for a world-wide distribution. Then, the only thing ban would complain about is telling Irish jokes.

*chortle*

Chance174 · 05-06-2008, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by arm-spin

Matclone, Ban Basketball and Chance, what exactly do you guys think the United States government should do about illegal immigration?

Arm Spin - that is a very good question.

I personally believe that we need to beef up the border. Hire and train more border agents. We need to either build a fence or use some sort of new technology (not really sure what) to protect our border. This also includes the border with Canada.

I believe we need to enforce the laws that we currently have. The policy of catch and release just doesn't work. Yes it will cost some money but end up saving the country in the end. We need to create legislation that go after the people that hire these people. Arizona a lot of other states have already begun to pass legislation, it needs to be done on a national basis.

I also think we need to address what is happening in Mexico and other countries. Now I will be honest and say I have no clue how to do this. I think it will take some one a lot smarter or less of a temper

than me to figure it out.

Tight-Waist · 05-06-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Chance174

Arm Spin - that is a very good question.

I personally believe that we need to beef up the border. Hire and train more border agents. We need to either build a fence or use some sort of new technology (not really sure what) to protect our border. This also includes the border with Canada.

I believe we need to enforce the laws that we currently have. The policy of catch and release just doesn't work. Yes it will cost some money but end up saving the country in the end. We need to create legislation that go after the people that hire these people. Arizona a lot of other states have already begun to pass legislation, it needs to be done on a national basis.

I also think we need to address what is happening in Mexico and other countries. Now I will be honest and say I have no clue how to do this. I think it will take some one a lot smarter or less of a temper than me to figure it out.

So has Oklahoma

arm-spin · 05-06-2008, 11:04 AM

matclone, BB and Chance, thank you for your answers. I don't know much about illegal immigration to the US and you guys have been helpful.

pm01 · 05-06-2008, 11:51 AM

I'm sorry but I've only read the first two pages and already need clarification, what is the original point of the thread?

Is it that all immigrations laws should be removed so there are no restriction to immigration?

Is it that immigration laws are too strict and should be revised by easing restrictions?

Or is this a conversation about social perceptions and the treatment of any immigrant irrespective if they have entered the country by following the current immigration laws or not?

ban basketball · 05-06-2008, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Tight-Waist

The opposition has been explained to you over and over an over. The fact that you still do not understand proves you have tuned out that which you do not want to hear.

So why do you even bother to post on this thread.

Sorry, but the joke may be on you on this one. It appears that someone else, not me, isn't "seeing things."

Tight-Waist · 05-06-2008, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by ban basketball

Sorry, but the joke may be on you on this one. It appears that someone else, not me, isn't "seeing things."

It was YOU I was quoting.