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Old 05-15-2008, 03:39 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Sorry -- I didn't know this problem affected all races equally. I guess my concerns were misdirected so I will spread my compassion across all races equally.

You want it both ways now. On the one hand, race is not off-limits according to your paragraph below. But on the other hand, when someone speak of race, you throw in words like insinuation, flawed, and paint kind of an ugly picture for the original poster. You're the one hoisting the flawed race notion upon me (thank you very little) and my post didn't paint that picture; you took it there which isn't fair. I thought I was quoting some pretty verifiable facts and regurgitating what Bill said. If Bill's message wasn't wrong, what's wrong w/ me or anyone else repeating what he already said?

So let me get the rules straight; when exactly can we talk about race? Only in civil rights cases, but never when we're talking about crime, poverty, and births to single mothers? I need to know on a prospective basis as I'm not really in the mood to be scolded in public forums.

I listen to everyone on the radio and TV, however, your statement that MS, RL, and SH talk about race more than Jwright, ASharp, and JJack is silly. If any of those guys made disparaging remarks about a particular race, you know for a fact they would be off the air. This is especially true since all three have very large audiences with advertisers.

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Your statement was predominantly colored with the notion that this is a black problem. It's a common notion.


Why the defensiveness? Why all the strawmen? No one called you or anyone else a racist, and I had no intention of insinuating the same. No one here called Bill Cosby a racist or an Uncle Tom, or said his message was wrong. No one here said a discussion of race was off-limits. I'm just critical of a certain notion and tried to make a distinction and turn the discussion to where I think it belongs.

Probably less so than Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.

I'm sorry, the flawed race is all too often the insinuation. It's all over media, and people naturally pick up on it. My goal is simply to point this out where it occurs. I don't dislike you. You know how to carry on an intelligent conversation--and not everyone does. And you obviously have some education.
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Old 05-17-2008, 07:57 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Although the US is split on who is the right person to run this country, most of us will agree that America is the best country in the world!

This is a great link!!
The link aside, you are probably right.

The sad part is MOST Americans don't know why.

MOST Americans have never been to another country and have only internal patriotic indoctrination on which to base their conclusion.

Most Americans can't even name all the states and rarely see beyond their own little piece of their individual interpretation of the American Dream... the length and breath of their living space and day to day coping with existence.

Most eligible Americans don't vote. Most American are busy trying to figure out how to best their neighbors.

Can you imagine how great our country would be if Most Americans really cared?
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Old 05-17-2008, 08:05 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Can you imagine how great our country would be if Most Americans really cared?

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Can you imagine how great our country would be if Most Americans really cared?

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Nope. I don't know if you've noticed, but Communism fell apart in the country that was the face of Communism. Now, we have countries with different forms of Communism that are taking a shot with it. Communismis a flawed system.
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Old 05-17-2008, 02:08 PM   #85 (permalink)
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Communismis a flawed system.

Because people don't care enough......
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Old 05-18-2008, 12:32 AM   #86 (permalink)
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The exact opposite is the truth. It is uncaring and cruel to make failure an impossibility. People become mediocre, average, and lifeless if failure is not an option.

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Communismis a flawed system.

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Old 05-18-2008, 02:09 PM   #87 (permalink)
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The exact opposite is the truth. It is uncaring and cruel to make failure an impossibility. People become mediocre, average, and lifeless if failure is not an option.

Since when has it been necessary to MAKE failure a possibility? Failure is as natural as the sun rising in the morning. Success requires work.

ALL forms of government are flawed. Each country simply lives with what they have... or changes it at some point ... or WE step in and try to change it for them, sigh.
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Old 05-19-2008, 01:56 PM   #88 (permalink)
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Are you sure we disagree? I was responding to the idea that communism is flawed (and I think it is). Among many other reasons already previously mentioned, I think it is also flawed because isn't it true that you can't really fail or succeed in a communist society? What I am saying is that if you *knew* Big Government was not going to step in and take care of you, you might be a little more motivated to work, go to school, study more, and reach for the stars.

I agree that success requires hard work.

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Since when has it been necessary to MAKE failure a possibility? Failure is as natural as the sun rising in the morning. Success requires work.

ALL forms of government are flawed. Each country simply lives with what they have... or changes it at some point ... or WE step in and try to change it for them, sigh.
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Communismis a flawed system.

Because people don't care enough......
When you say "care enough" did you mean like Stalin, or Mao?
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