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    Well, well, well. One of the most noble professions in the West has let us down. Doctors from India, Jordan and Iraq attempted a terror attack in Britain.


    These are no brainwashed poor and uneducated people. These are some intelligent people that have made rational choices. Clearly some injustice led them to take such absurd path:



    LONDON, July 3 ? The international dimension to the failed car bombings in London and Glasgow seemed to grow today with the detention of an eighth person, in Brisbane, Australia. Like several other people held in connection with the alleged plots, he was a medical worker, the Australian police said.

    The apparent links to medical workers has troubled many Britons, who are used to thinking of the profession as a bastion of trustworthiness and benevolence, even in an era when many of the workers at National Health Service hospitals are foreigners.

    For the public, moreover, the well-educated health professionals arrested in the case so far were a baffling departure from the images of home-grown Islamic terrorists implicated in past plots, who have often been people on the fringe of society with family roots in Pakistan.

    As many as five of the arrests in Britain so far appear to have been of people with medical links.

    As the investigation continued, the British authorities, and the public, were confronted with the possibility, at least at home, that a terrorism network, apparently composed at least in part of foreign doctors, had developed within the publicly financed National Health Service. But the case of the Australian detention ? of an Indian doctor named Mohammed Haneef, who was detained at the Brisbane airport ? was particularly murky. British news reports, relatives and a person close to the investigation identified two of the medical doctors detained in Britain as Mohammed Asha, from Jordan, and Bilal Abdullah, from Iraq. A 26-year-old man arrested in Liverpool over the weekend may also have been either a medical student or a doctor, a person close to the investigation said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/03/wo...hp&oref=slogin

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    "Well, well, well. One of the most noble professions in the West has let us down. Doctors from India, Jordan and Iraq attempted a terror attack in Britain.

    These are no brainwashed poor and uneducated people. These are some intelligent people that have made rational choices. Clearly some injustice led them to take such absurd path:"

    What? So, when intelligent people make "rational" choices to blow up innocent Westerners, then it's because of some injustice that has been perpetrated upon them by the West.

    But, when bombers are poor and uneducated, then they can also blame the "West" because of the injustices we've perpetrated against them. That's pretty much been the storyline for quite some time now.

    The "West" can't win, right? They hate us for what we do (or have done). They hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we are infidels. They hate us because we support Israel. They hate us because we support other Islamic countries in the mideast.

    I'm guessing that it's too late for a group hug with them. As long as they keep sending cars filled with explosives and nails into public places, targeting women and children, then I'm going to hold off on caring whether they are educated or uneducated. Either way, they are sociopathic killers.

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    So long as people like you dismiss out of hand claims of injustice (I guess, because you can), then this kind of shit is going to go down. It's like racism: you can just say it doesn't exist, and wha-la, it's gone away from sight and mind.

    So it seems you have two broad choices: you can try to defeat and subject them with your might (might is right), or you can acknowledge the presence of injustice and try to do something about it.

    They hate us for what we do (or have done). They hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we are infidels. They hate us because we support Israel. They hate us because we support other Islamic countries in the mideast.

    I doubt you've expended even a small amount of effort in trying to understand who "they" are and what "they" think. Of course, that doesn't prevent you from passing judgment and making pronouncements on the matter.

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    "I doubt you've expended even a small amount of effort in trying to understand who "they" are and what "they" think. Of course, that doesn't prevent you from passing judgment and making pronouncements on the matter."

    Kind of like when people call other people "racists", for example? You make judgments and pass pronouncements every day on these boards, why would you hold others to a different standard than youself?

    After reading scores of books on the Middle East, following both sides of the argument in publications such as Foreign Affairs and Foreign Policy, I've come to the conclusion that we're going to be hated by them no matter what. Wait, that's wrong. If we all became Muslims, we'd be cool. Wait, that's wrong as well. If we became members of the Sunni sect, then we'd be ok. No, I meant the Shia.

    What if we gave more money to the Islamic countries in the Middle East? We do that already. What if we allowed them to worship without restraint in our country? We do that too.

    What if we would step in to stop a genocidal leader? No, that didn't work with Saddam, we got criticized for meddling in a sovereign country. But, we're also criticized for not stepping into Darfur, which is part of Sudan, a sovereign country. Muslims are killing muslims there, which side should we choose?

    Maybe if we allowed them to push Israel into the sea? No, the US would still be the white devil infidel, so that's a non-starter.

    I'm eager to hear suggestions for understanding and placating the radical Muslims in the Middle East. Who wants to step to the board first? I'm sure that if you put a small amount of effort into understanding their grievances, then we can solve the whole thing.

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    "It's really shocking," said Elaine Paige, an office manager in London. "Given what doctors do in clinics and operating rooms, how could they want to destroy lives?"

    But Robert Courtney, a designer in the British capital, said: "Nothing surprises me these days."

    "People from all walks of life are being pushed toward violence by the horrible situations in Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel and Palestine," he said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070703/...s_as_militants

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    Big, "These are some intelligent people that have made rational choices".

    Please explain to me how choosing to blow up innocents is the end result of logical thought?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardcore View Post
    Big, "These are some intelligent people that have made rational choices".

    Please explain to me how choosing to blow up innocents is the end result of logical thought?
    You see your brother and his family get blown up in Iraq during one of the coalition forces' attacks on Iraqi areas and you want revenge.

    Or you realize that the Civil War in Iraq that killed your relatives was the result of coalition forces invasion.

    Or your family was killed in Palestine during an Israeli airstrike.

    That's how.

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    hardcore, I think he's saying they've thought through what they're doing, as opposed to, say, merely acting on someone's orders. That doesn't mean their actions are rational or logical, but evidently they've rationalized what they do.

    If you ask me, there was nothing rational, in any sense, about bombing Bagdhad either.

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    Its the same way that American military has rationalized that they will drop a bomb on insurgents tomorrow and kill a couple dozen civilians along with it.

    Its the same way that England has rationalized giving the land to Israel and limit Palestinian power there. It is the same way that Rumsfeld rationalized shock and awe compaigns. Its all the same.

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