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    Deserved or not, this bill is probably the only chance to pass any kind of immigration reform for a while. Pass it and somethings will change (I'm not saying one way or the other if these changes would be good) but don't pass it and things will stay pretty much the same.
    There's no such thing as a pretty good aligator wrestler.

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    Sully is right. We're left with what we had, a broken system that furthers no one's goals, except perhaps the provocateurs of talk radio, who are loath to lose their punching bag.

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    Did you think that the illegal aliens here deserved amnesty?
    If you want an serious answer, try a non-rhetorical question that isn't loaded with presumptions that are in dispute.

    If you burgle a house, and the judge gives you a fine (which you pay) and probation (which you serve), do we call it amnesty if you aren't then thrown in the clink for spite?

    If you are stopped for DUI, and are given a fine (which you pay), and have to go to class, instead of jail time (which could have been applied), do we call that amnesty? If you later get your license back, because you've done what you're supposed to do, do we call that amnesty?

    If you are stopped for a traffic violation, and the cop lets you off without a ticket, do we call that amnesty?

    The provisions of the immigration bill required payment of a fine, background check, waiting period, and possibly some other hurdles, before one could get on the road to citizenship. In any other instance, when you've done your time, paid your fine, or otherwise make retribution for your offense, you walk away a free man. You paid your dues. But when it comes to Mexicans who crossed the border or overstayed their visas in order to work, wo-ah, no deed is ever unpunished and no punishment is ever enough. Anything short of repeatedly kicking them in the nuts is AMNESTY!

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    Clone I just wanted to know if it was good enough for you. To me depending on the size of the fine and the other obstacles they would have to go through and then I would have to compare it to the hurdles immigrants who are coming here legally have to climb to see if it is fair to me.

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    You guys are thinking small! This is a microcosm of troubles for capitalism to come in the future. Capitalists want cheap labor (slaves, serfs) in the 21st Century.

    Only illegal immigrants will do the dirty work on the field without any real rights in the country.

    This is a dirty business that capitalism is thirsty for to survive.

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    'In any other instance, when you've done your time, paid your fine, or otherwise make retribution for your offense, you walk away a free man.'

    No you call yourself a free citizen. There is a difference.

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    Yes, Big, but what are we going to do about it?

    The effects of NAFTA support your idea that capitalists profit from illegal immigration, but few are talking about NAFTA. And what's the point of blaming capitalism? Your point is made, but there are also practical realities that have to be dealt with, including the status of real people and families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    'In any other instance, when you've done your time, paid your fine, or otherwise make retribution for your offense, you walk away a free man.'

    No you call yourself a free citizen. There is a difference.
    Oh, I see, then you're talking about slaves or some other species of sub-human.

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    matclone,

    There is no real solution. Is there a solution to perfect communism? Not up to date. The same thing for capitalism.

    You think by giving these illegal immigrants status to become citizens you are solving world level problems? Bull$hit. You are making it a little better short term and much worse long term. Its like taking pain killers for cancer.

    The issue can't be resolved and won't be resolved as long as pure capitalism thrives. Isn't it true that amnesty was already given 20 something years ago? Did it help? No.

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    Big, we don't have pure capitalism. Not anything close.

    Did I say anything about solving the problems of the world?

    I pointed out why the current proposal was not "amnesty" (and hence not like 20 years ago), a point you either disagree with or choose to ignore.

    And so your solution is status quo? I don't understand.

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