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    Default Re: You think you live in a freedom loving country?

    Some people in America would love to see Bush dead. I guess his assassination is now justified.

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    Flop's argument that it's okay to assasinate Castro, is similar to the one that it was okay to invade Iraq to "get" Hussain. It boils down to this: might is right. On the other hand, if you turn to International law, I don't think you will find this is a justifiable reason. If it were, then country X could depose of country Y's leaders anytime they didn't like them. Now, that's the old way of doing business, practiced by kings and despots for a thousand or more years. If we live in a civilized world, there has to be a better justification.
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    Default Re: You think you live in a freedom loving country?

    matclone,

    Flops' argument makes no sense no matter what. There is no communism or Fidel Castro in Mexico and yet Mexicans run away from that country by the millions.

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    It boils down to this: might is right

    Sometimes we can use our might as a means to humanitarian intervention.

    Here is a quick list of genocidal maniacs that should (or should have been) on a hit list over the last 100 years:

    Hitler
    Pol Pot
    Stalin
    Mao
    Milosevic
    OBL
    Kambanda and others associated w/Rwandan genocide
    Many currently in Darfur

    I'm sure that I'm missing some. Big, you can go ahead and add Bush to the list now, just to round out the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    matclone,

    Flops' argument makes no sense no matter what. There is no communism or Fidel Castro in Mexico and yet Mexicans run away from that country by the millions.
    They are free to leave as they wish. The problem there isn't communism, it's the lack of opportunity.

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    Flop, you think you are such a smart American and coming to America is somehow immigrants' blessing. Well, leaving in itself is a crime. No human should feel the urge to leave his native country because of lack of opportunity.

    America's thirst for immmigration is a criminal act to humanity in itself. A powerful country should not promote sucking of human talent around the World as the basis for freedom.

    A powerful country should not get rich from the misfortunes of others. No human virtues or any religion ever teach that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Flop, you think you are such a smart American and coming to America is somehow immigrants' blessing. Well, leaving in itself is a crime. No human should feel the urge to leave his native country because of lack of opportunity.

    America's thirst for immmigration is a criminal act to humanity in itself. A powerful country should not promote sucking of human talent around the World as the basis for freedom.

    A powerful country should not get rich from the misfortunes of others. No human virtues or any religion ever teach that.
    I don't know where you get the idea that I want Mexicans to leave their country. They should be free to leave if they want to, but I'd prefer that Mexico have a thriving economy where everyone could prosper.

    Are you trying to be provocative by saying that "America's thirst for immigration is a criminal act to humanity"? I can't imagine that you actually believe that. When a person can make a better living in the US than they can in their own country, why is it a criminal act to humanity to allow them to?

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    When a person can make a better living in the US than they can in their own country, why is it a criminal act to humanity to allow them to?

    A person fine. But when you have these national policies to look for thousands and millions of special talent and needs people from other countries, that is criminal. Mass immmigration causes more sorrow than good for most immigrants. Lack of language, loss of identity. I know this happened to my parents big time.

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    Default Re: You think you live in a freedom loving country?

    Sometimes we can use our might as a means to humanitarian intervention.

    So you've offered a reason to use force other than might is right.

    Without digging into it, there's probably a basis for humantarian intervention, within the Geneva Conventions where there is genocide and other egregious actions. That of course doesn't apply to Castro, or to Allende, and arguably not to Hussain.

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