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    You said that you would think that kids know about the politics before they enter. I will say they dont or at least 90% dont and I was one of them. Military right out of high school had no idea about anything I just wanted to serve my country.

    So if one of your students that you teach drops and gets a GED works consruction and is a baseball fan you would not want him to have a right to vote. Is that correct. Because he or she is not educated enough to make an informed decision. What is it that you teach anyway?

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    Ugly - as for people who have served. I think that they potentially take it to a different level. Because they know that there is a direct impact on their lives, because they are employed by the government. My older cousin who has a GED, joined the Army, and did extremely well for herself. She was on active duty for 8 years - everything directly impacted her. Including the two tours she did in Iraq. So because she is "uneducated" that means she should not vote - I think NOT!

    Fan I think you are directing this at the wrong person. I am on your side I was using the military as an example of some people who dont know all the politic or may not have a college degree but serve because it is the right thing to do and that they should have the right to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    You said that you would think that kids know about the politics before they enter. I will say they dont or at least 90% dont and I was one of them. Military right out of high school had no idea about anything I just wanted to serve my country.

    So if one of your students that you teach drops and gets a GED works consruction and is a baseball fan you would not want him to have a right to vote. Is that correct. Because he or she is not educated enough to make an informed decision. What is it that you teach anyway?
    No, i would not want that person's choice weighted the same as mine when it comes to choosing leadership.

    immigrants who come to this country are required to learn it's history, it's civics etc.....to become a citizen. why should we expect less from our youth?

    voting should be a privilege, not a right

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    I think the big factor is does this individual no matter who they are in life, care about politics enough to vote? You have college educated people who are oblivious to anything in politics. Then you have someone in the working class who pays a lot of attention to the issues because they know that it will directly impact their lives that they have worked so hard to build.

    I have my Master's Degree, I vote. Not because I went and got an education, and I feel that is what I have to do because I am "educated." My parents instilled in me that voting is important, because what we vote on now will have an impact on our future. Even when in college I went and voted in every little local election that we had.

    I remember a few years ago, my brother was a freshman in college at the time, I took him with me to go vote early in the morning before we had classes. He went to his English class, and the professor who was extremely direct asked the class how many of them knew it was a voting day. My brother raised his hand. The professor then asked who actually voted today, my brother raised his hand again. He was allowed to leave class for the day. The rest of the class was given a lecture on voting and government.

    Ugly - as for people who have served. I think that they potentially take it to a different level. Because they know that there is a direct impact on their lives, because they are employed by the government. My older cousin who has a GED, joined the Army, and did extremely well for herself. She was on active duty for 8 years - everything directly impacted her. Including the two tours she did in Iraq. So because she is "uneducated" that means she should not vote - I think NOT!
    i agree with everything you said, and would not consider your older cousin uneducated

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    "immigrants who come to this country are required to learn it's history, it's civics etc.....to become a citizen. why should we expect less from our youth? "
    -Our youth are required to learn these thing, I had US history in 5th, 8th and 11th grade.
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    I had a busy morning, but will now chime back in. Just to give you my own personal perspective, I am an educated person and vote in every national and most local elections. I don't go out of my way to learn about the candidates in depth, but I rely on the mainstream news to keep me informed. I am not very politically savvy, and usually vote the issues as I see them. While it's unlikely that I'll find a candidate whose platform is completely in line with my views concerning the economy, war, stem cell research, immigration, abortion, etc, I weigh the importance of each issue to me and make a selection.

    I think what this topic comes down to is whether voting a right or a privilege, and how much responsibility goes with it? As I said at the begining of this topic, our country is based on inclusion of everyone into the system, not selective inclusion or exclusion. I'd rather err on the side of uninformed voters than have an elite electorate selecting a non-representative government.
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    I never said construction workers can't vote, or soldiers for that matter. What I am saying is that too many people base their opinions on TV ads and Church and such. There should be a real 2 hour test on current world events and agenda as well as basic background and controversies of each candidate that voting enthusiasts should pass.

    There should be booklets to study from to pass these tests. Even if you don't have college education you can pick up a booklet, read it , and then take the test.
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    The voting rights were founded hundreds of years ago when many people never even went to college. There were no TVs, no internet. The founding fathers couldn't possibly predict the political situation of today.

    Spider, do you really think millions of people that have no clue should listen to some gay rights and abortion talk on TV and then elect leaders that can potentially invade another country or control finances and politics of many other countries?

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    Big you were very specific in who you think should or should not vote. The fact is as I understand our rights is that when we turn 18 we have th right to vote. Bottom line it is a right and priviledge and should be taken very seriously but I dont think that your level of education dictates how seriously you take politics. I think the circumstances of your life dictate how you approach politics and whaat issues you pay attention too, like other s have said before.

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