Supreme Court does not protect kids

UGLY · 06-25-2008, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by BonnieJ2

That sounds like your subjective view a parent, but is it what your church and your religion would say? It doesn't sound like what I remember of the Bible and the teachings of Jesus.

I don't know what my church would say honestly. I am most likely on the wrong side of the issue in the church and I can live with that. On this issue I can live on being on the wrong side of everybody.

UGLY · 06-25-2008, 11:59 PM

Clone if there is such legal precedence then why not overturn the Texas law also. The precedence is not there they gave legal cases on which they may have based their decision (a 5to 4 decision I might add). In the end they had a chance to do something better and then they split down party lines and failed us yet again.

sgallan · 06-26-2008, 12:19 AM

This crime is beyond my ability to forgive or turn the other cheek. If you commit an act that destroys the life of a child then I hold that your life should be taken or you should be tortured and then killed. I have no sympathy for these people.

Absolutely. And given I only have the one kid, and given I am getting on in years, and given I am a bit crazy, without a fear of much of anything, I would take things into my own hands. I am also pragmatic enough to do so in a calculated way, that would work, and which is even scarier yet. And I might even hurt somebody who tried to stop what I was planning to do. I kid you not.... this is a given. But...... do you 'really' want society to get into the mindset that I would have in such a circumstance? Do you really want that "vengence is mine" attitude at a macro level? Or is it better I am the exception to the rule? Think about it.

arm-spin · 06-26-2008, 12:30 AM

[quote=sgallan;74334]This crime is beyond my ability to forgive or turn the other cheek. If you commit an act that destroys the life of a child then I hold that your life should be taken or you should be tortured and then killed. I have no sympathy for these people.

as a Christian... I think that Christ is pretty clear. We are meant to forgive even the really crappy people, which includes child molesters. However, we also have a duty to protect the non-child-molesting people. People who molest children need to be kept locked up so they don't molest more children. Let God deal with the vengeance part.

JustFishing · 06-26-2008, 03:53 AM

[quote=arm-spin;74336]

Originally Posted by sgallan

This crime is beyond my ability to forgive or turn the other cheek. If you commit an act that destroys the life of a child then I hold that your life should be taken or you should be tortured and then killed. I have no sympathy for these people.

as a Christian... I think that Christ is pretty clear. We are meant to forgive even the really crappy people, which includes child molesters. However, we also have a duty to protect the non-child-molesting people. People who molest children need to be kept locked up so they don't molest more children. Let God deal with the vengeance part.

Forgive? Yes.

Have no consequences for their actions? No.

Romans 13
"Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil."

fj1200 · 06-26-2008, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by sgallan

I taught a course called the "Master Student" about 5-6 times (I think it is done exclusively by sociological and psychology teachers now). Basically it is a course that teaches new students them how to become college students. Like a lot of courses of this nature there are various personality, opinion, work habit, background evaluations, and so forth, that elicits a lot of open ended responses. Holy shit, these guys 'really' wanted to talk about stuff. And the stuff they talked about was..... well damn!

WOW! No wonder you have your ego so tied up in debating message boards, being a teacher you fancy yourself ONE of the "smart guys". But, you're not. Dude, you are exactly the reason our children are so poorly educated. Todays teachers don't encourage critical thinking you are a bunch of propagandists.

Ground&Pound · 06-26-2008, 09:59 AM

I don't trust the system enough to increase capital punishment.

The next thing you know, some poor black 18 yr old will be getting fried for sleeping with his white 17 yr old girlfriend.

Too many times, the state is interested in convicting people rather than finding the truth. I just don't want to give them any more power to kill when they have historically made so many mistakes.

arm-spin · 06-26-2008, 10:15 AM

JF, I suggested a consequence. Life in prison with no chance of parole.

fj1200 · 06-26-2008, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Ground&Pound

I don't trust the system enough to increase capital punishment.

The next thing you know, some poor black 18 yr old will be getting fried for sleeping with his white 17 yr old girlfriend.

Too many times, the state is interested in convicting people rather than finding the truth. I just don't want to give them any more power to kill when they have historically made so many mistakes.

Sooooooooooo true.

FloggingSully · 06-26-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by UGLY

Maybe we could look at what the people want that would be a grand idea. I think the majority of people if asked whether or not to kill child rapist they would say kill them.

-If the founding fathers wanted the supreme court to consider what the people wanted, they would have made the justices elected officials.

Supreme Court does not protect kids

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