Obama: Offshore drilling will not lower gas prices this year, next year or 5 years from now

Big · 07-06-2008, 11:23 AM

Oil also played an important role in the struggle after the war over the future of
the Ottoman province of Mosul, where a large oil field was eventually discovered
in 1927 at Baba Gargur near Kirkuk in the new, British-mandated Iraq. Oil was
next found in the Persian Gulf, beginning with Bahrain in 1931; there were
subsequent discoveries in Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the Trucial States (Abu
Dhabi and Dubai), and Oman. By 1960 the smaller Gulf states were producing 15
percent of the world’s oil, with another 10 percent or so coming from Iraq and
Iran.3 By 1970 this had risen to 30 percent.

http://www.brandeis.edu/crown/public.../meb/MEB24.pdf

This means in 1936, Middle East still produced very little oil.

hardcore · 07-06-2008, 02:16 PM

Big, people have been predicting gloom and doom since the beginning of time. That in and of itself does not make it so.

Big · 07-06-2008, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by hardcore

Big, people have been predicting gloom and doom since the beginning of time. That in and of itself does not make it so.

So World War II was not gloom and doom? I am not saying humans will die off but I am saying the current lifestyle is most likely history.

hardcore · 07-06-2008, 02:33 PM

All that I am saying is that we will adapt. We can make the changes that need to be made while being as negitive as we can throughout the entire process or we can embrace the change and make it a positive experience. Many people are scared as can be hearing all of the worst case senerios being bandied about. I stand by FDR when he told a frightened nation that the only thing we need to fear is fear itself.
Life is too short and too precious to allow the negitive to consume it. Live life to the fullest Big. Enjoy!

redviking · 07-06-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by hardcore

All that I am saying is that we will adapt. We can make the changes that need to be made while being as negitive as we can throughout the entire process or we can embrace the change and make it a positive experience. Many people are scared as can be hearing all of the worst case senerios being bandied about. I stand by FDR when he told a frightened nation that the only thing we need to fear is fear itself.
Life is too short and too precious to allow the negitive to consume it. Live life to the fullest Big. Enjoy!

I agree, we will adapt. This isn't probably the end of human civilization. However, it could be the end as we know it. We are likely moving toward a simpler life style and will have to eat a little lighter and go without a lot of the luxeries we have today. That isn't necessarily "gloom & doom". We can't keep getting wealthier forever. Times change. That is just the way it is.

Cyclone85 · 07-06-2008, 03:32 PM

I agreed with everything you said in your first 2 sentences; after that -- nothing. Obama said the same thing about driving, eating whatever we want, and keeping our thermostats on 72.

Originally Posted by redviking

I agree, we will adapt. This isn't probably the end of human civilization. However, it could be the end as we know it. We are likely moving toward a simpler life style and will have to eat a little lighter and go without a lot of the luxeries we have today. That isn't necessarily "gloom & doom". We can't keep getting wealthier forever. Times change. That is just the way it is.

redviking · 07-06-2008, 03:49 PM

I don't think it is an option. I don't think we should do it because Obama says we should - we will have to do it because it will become too expensive. This is already happening, and will continue for a long time until we have a big energy breakthrough. In the mean time, more drilling won't bring down prices and only prolongs the inevitable and actually will make the inevitable hit us harder.

Cyclone85 · 07-06-2008, 05:26 PM

Ok, who are you and what have you done with B-Ban's body? j/k ;o)

Seriously, I can't tell you and B-Ban apart.

Originally Posted by redviking

I don't think it is an option. I don't think we should do it because Obama says we should - we will have to do it because it will become too expensive. This is already happening, and will continue for a long time until we have a big energy breakthrough. In the mean time, more drilling won't bring down prices and only prolongs the inevitable and actually will make the inevitable hit us harder.

sgallan · 07-06-2008, 06:27 PM

LOL.... no, RV is definitely his own character. He is a libertarian and skeptical, and takes the contrary and revisionist view of pretty much everything. He is hard left, and hard right, at the same time. There is WAY more stuff he disagrees with BB then there is stuff he agrees with.

Tight-Waist · 07-06-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone85

Tight -- don't make me do this. I told you to listen to Harry Reid; comply. You must comply.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqR0Ui0g3wI

Dennis Miller took the words right out of my mouth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miXAZj-tcGI&NR=1

Obama: Offshore drilling will not lower gas prices this year, next year or 5 years from now

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