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Old 06-03-2008, 08:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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If you haven't seen the movie, get it, watch it. One of the best documentaries in years and sheds a ton of light on the auto industry. You can see the whole movie on YouTube.

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Yes, and especially important today. We've had fully functioning electric cars in the 90's, we can sure as heck do it even better today. Watch the film above that Mike linked. The most important film that I've watched in a long time.

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For what it's worth, I hear that Chevy is putting their electric car (the Volt?) back into production and it should be in showrooms in 2009 or 2010.
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The Volt, once again, is a joke. It is a hybrid vehicle (which is NOT necessary), and GM appears to be, once again, trying to stifle this car as much as possible.

http://www.ev1.org/msg/29.htm
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There is no excuse to not watch the video, as the whole movie is on YouTube. I will say it is one of the better documentaries I have ever seen. It really dispels the "myths" about the electric car. I was not even close to being a supporter of the concept but the movie does a great job at presenting the truth behind the car, and the industry. I agree with Ban, something has to be done. I am enjoying my 40 miles or so per gallon, and am spending much less on gas, but the day of a fully electric would be nice.

Some may remember Neil Young. He has been in town a lot lately working on the development of a conversion of a 1959 Lincoln to hybrid electric that gets over 100 MPG. That shows how much we are being deceived in the technology of the hybrids, and how much more could be done with the fully electric, at least to large extent.

Here is a link but one could google Wichita Neil Young and see a lot of info beyond the article posted below.

http://www.kansas.com/news/story/421101.html

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This video is only 6-minutes or so. It's not the Volt, but this one sounds promising.

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The Volt, once again, is a joke. It is a hybrid vehicle (which is NOT necessary), and GM appears to be, once again, trying to stifle this car as much as possible.

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There is no excuse to not watch the video, as the whole movie is on YouTube. I will say it is one of the better documentaries I have ever seen. It really dispels the "myths" about the electric car. I was not even close to being a supporter of the concept but the movie does a great job at presenting the truth behind the car, and the industry. I agree with Ban, something has to be done. I am enjoying my 40 miles or so per gallon, and am spending much less on gas, but the day of a fully electric would be nice.

Some may remember Neil Young. He has been in town a lot lately working on the development of a conversion of a 1959 Lincoln to hybrid electric that gets over 100 MPG. That shows how much we are being deceived in the technology of the hybrids, and how much more could be done with the fully electric, at least to large extent.

Here is a link but one could google Wichita Neil Young and see a lot of info beyond the article posted below.

http://www.kansas.com/news/story/421101.html


With all due respect Furches, how do you know this version (disseminated by those who assumably are promoting electric cars) of the facts is the truth?

Do you know for a fact that there are no other facts in this case that might point to a different conclusion?
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Yes, and especially important today. We've had fully functioning electric cars in the 90's, we can sure as heck do it even better today. Watch the film above that Mike linked. The most important film that I've watched in a long time.

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Such a good film. It's running on IFC, and it's available through Netflix. Of course, it will also get you angry.

As an apartment dweller without a garage, I am one of the few people who the electric car would not work for. Since hybrids debuted, I've been coveting one, especially since I took a new job that is farther away from home, but has no public transportation possibilities. The Prius is the best, as it gets 48 mpg, but many of the other ones are jokes. The Lexus models get 20 mpg! I do better with my Hyundai. Another fun fact about hybrid engines is that the electric engine shuts off when you turn on the A/C. I only use A/C about three months a year, but for someone living in southern Cal, what's the point of even buying a hybrid?
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Originally Posted by Tight-Waist View Post
With all due respect Furches, how do you know this version (disseminated by those who assumably are promoting electric cars) of the facts is the truth?

Do you know for a fact that there are no other facts in this case that might point to a different conclusion?
This is a well-researched, critically acclaimed documentary. This isn't some hatchet job ala Michael Moore. The automakers, gas companies, etc., are given plenty of screen time to say their side of the story. Unfortunately, their side of the story makes no sense at all.
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I don't have high speed internet so I cannot match this movie online.
Not having seen it I am going to say that I am doubting what I assume is the premise that there was a concerted and coordinated efort to stop production of an electric car.

Don't you believe that if Detroit could make a car with close to 100 mpg they would be able to charge a huge premium for it and could make tons of money?

Making one car that get 100+ mpg is completely different from making tens of thousands of cars a year that meet safety standards, are reliable, and have enough creature comforts so that people would buy them.
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