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washed up wrestler · 05-30-2008, 06:12 PM

Michael Weiner (real name) aka Savage is a bag full of hot air. His audience is mostly 100% angry or just curious. His bigotry is in the eye of the beholder.

But, sticking with the thread topic; one can't help to be concerned about what these "people of God" are all about. If you ask me, most of it is a power trip and they use God as the conduit to spread their message; or in the case of numerous Catholic priests-prey on young boys.

The biggest loser in all of this crap is organized religion. I doubt many people have decided to run to a church based on what these blowhards are spewing.

Cyclone85 · 05-30-2008, 06:13 PM

What are you talking about man? I could've sworn you wrote this:

matclone wrote: "The guys on talk radio may not use the n_word but that does not mean their comments are not racially charged. Their constant denigration and demonification of people of color means something even if you don't see it. One example: I heard a talk radio guy (I don't know who it was) a couple years ago scream that Kayne West (not sure who he is but he's black) is a "jackass"."

So what is your point with the 'jackass' statement? Why is it racially charged for a talk radio guy to call KWest a jackass?

I defy you to come up with one specific example where Rush/B.O./Laura I/Sean /MSavage....denigrates people of color with racially charged statements. You won't, because if they were doing that (even once), they would be off the air; they have very large audiences nationwide.

Originally Posted by matclone

See no evil. Hear no evil.

And here you again re-direct my point in order to knock it down. I didn't say no one is precluded from calling someone else a jackass, nor did I say a jackass wasn't a jackass or isnt' deserving of being called a jackass. I said something completely different. But, shhh, we're not supposed to talk about race in America except to denigrate or discount those who raise the issue. Shhhh!

Throwby · 05-30-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by ban basketball

How does race play on my fears? I'm acused of a lot of things, but that's a newbie. Here's what I'd like to know: how does it play on my fears but not on most others'?

It's my experience in life that those with the biggest problems in any particular area are the same ones who have to keep talking about it.

In order for the topic of race to be legitimate Michael Pfleger should provide some substance to his accusations but since he has none he just blows out rhetoric to insight the audience. In this case is a white leech preying on the fears of the black community.

For those who believe the purpose of religion is to make life better for it's constituents I will use Christianity for a comparison. If it was intended to make life better (here on earth) then the twelve apostles of Jesus should have had great lives, right? No, one committed suicide (because he wanted Jesus to be a political ruler and Jesus failed to meet his objective... hint...hint...hint), one died in exile (prison) and the others were martyred for their faith. Jesus was surrounded by dark skinned people and yet he said nothing of race and the only political statement I can recall was "render to Caesar what is Caesar's (civil obedience, pay taxes, etc) and to God what is God's".

washed up wrestler said "But, sticking with the thread topic; one can't help to be concerned about what these "people of God" are all about. If you ask me, most of it is a power trip and they use God as the conduit to spread their message; or in the case of numerous Catholic priests-prey on young boys." I think you may be on to something.

therick · 05-30-2008, 06:45 PM

I was wondering the same thing cyclone.

That guy a couple of years ago was almost certainly calling West a "jackass" after he took it upon himself to say to the nation "George Bush doesn't care about black people." In that moment a lot of people in this country thought that West was a jackass. He has since proven himself on multiple occasions to actually be a jackass with his rants and whining when he doesn't get what he wants.

That has nothing to do with race.

matclone · 05-30-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone85

What are you talking about man? I could've sworn you wrote this:

matclone wrote: "The guys on talk radio may not use the n_word but that does not mean their comments are not racially charged. Their constant denigration and demonification of people of color means something even if you don't see it. One example: I heard a talk radio guy (I don't know who it was) a couple years ago scream that Kayne West (not sure who he is but he's black) is a "jackass"."

So what is your point with the 'jackass' statement? Why is it racially charged for a talk radio guy to call KWest a jackass?

I defy you to come up with one specific example where Rush/B.O./Laura I/Sean /MSavage....denigrates people of color with racially charged statements. You won't, because if they were doing that (even once), they would be off the air; they have very large audiences nationwide.

Like I said, see no evil, hear no evil. Be ignorant (or feign ignorance) if it suits you.

Cyclone85 · 05-30-2008, 07:23 PM

Yeah, that's what I thought.....nice come back.

Originally Posted by matclone

Like I said, see no evil, hear no evil. Be ignorant (or feign ignorance) if it suits you.

JensenS · 05-30-2008, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by washed up wrestler

Michael Weiner (real name) aka Savage is a bag full of hot air. His audience is mostly 100% angry or just curious. His bigotry is in the eye of the beholder.

I tune in every once in a while, as he absolutely slays me. He HATES everyone. Except himself.

He loves himself.

skipster · 05-31-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclone85

Yeah, that's what I thought.....nice come back.

Great job, cyclone! You have once again caught matclone in his web of hypocrisy. He likes to point fingers at others for doing the things he does himself.

Matclone's motto: See no evil, hear no evil; do as I say, not as I do; out of sight, out of mind; if I make them feel quilty about being themselves, I don't need to have a real or valid point.

ban basketball · 05-31-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Throwby

It's my experience in life that those with the biggest problems in any particular area are the same ones who have to keep talking about it.

In order for the topic of race to be legitimate Michael Pfleger should provide some substance to his accusations but since he has none he just blows out rhetoric to insight the audience. In this case is a white leech preying on the fears of the black community.

For those who believe the purpose of religion is to make life better for it's constituents I will use Christianity for a comparison. If it was intended to make life better (here on earth) then the twelve apostles of Jesus should have had great lives, right? No, one committed suicide (because he wanted Jesus to be a political ruler and Jesus failed to meet his objective... hint...hint...hint), one died in exile (prison) and the others were martyred for their faith. Jesus was surrounded by dark skinned people and yet he said nothing of race and the only political statement I can recall was "render to Caesar what is Caesar's (civil obedience, pay taxes, etc) and to God what is God's".

washed up wrestler said "But, sticking with the thread topic; one can't help to be concerned about what these "people of God" are all about. If you ask me, most of it is a power trip and they use God as the conduit to spread their message; or in the case of numerous Catholic priests-prey on young boys." I think you may be on to something.

I keep talking about it because I committed my life to issues of equality 15 years ago. So, yes, I'm damned guilty of talking about race issues. As but one example where we are afraid of blacks, isn't it strange how we are still segregated, even though segregation was outlawed over 40 years ago? Whites know little about people of color because we don't associate with them on any meaningful, understanding level. The fact that black revolutionaries still scare us shows us that painfully.

I don't know what you're talking about in this story of the apostles, but the fact of the matter is that, sociologically and in modern society (a real key; hence, the bold print),religion holds several functions for our society. One major function is that it works to promote social change by working to better our lives here on earth; to be more "God-like," if you will, and to live by our religious principles. If you know of some function to where we are supposed to suffer as a result of holding our religious convictions, let me know, and I'll submit the idea at the ASA conference this summer. However, I'm a bit afraid that these folks will laugh me out of the room.

That is what I meant by that, not some biblical account of how people were to suffer 2,000 years ago! WOW!!!!

ban basketball · 05-31-2008, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclone85

What are you talking about man? I could've sworn you wrote this:

matclone wrote: "The guys on talk radio may not use the n_word but that does not mean their comments are not racially charged. Their constant denigration and demonification of people of color means something even if you don't see it. One example: I heard a talk radio guy (I don't know who it was) a couple years ago scream that Kayne West (not sure who he is but he's black) is a "jackass"."

So what is your point with the 'jackass' statement? Why is it racially charged for a talk radio guy to call KWest a jackass?

I defy you to come up with one specific example where Rush/B.O./Laura I/Sean /MSavage....denigrates people of color with racially charged statements. You won't, because if they were doing that (even once), they would be off the air; they have very large audiences nationwide.

Would this qualify as "racially charged?" http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2549

Aside from this painful example that I've provided isn't it the slightest bit peculiar that in all of the years that I've listened to right wing hate radio that I have NOT ONE TIME, I repeat, HAVE NOT ONE TIME seen a racial issue where they have sided with the minority side. Not once. How could that be if they are "fair" and "not racially charged?" In all of the cases of obvious, documented racial injustice over the years, NOT ONCE have any of these people ever sided with it. Rather, they defend the actions against the minorites, call it "race baiting," or simply deny it as problematic and turn the tables on the victims of the injustice.

Here's what also curious: when people are caught redhanded of being racists or saying racist things, Hannity, in particular, lauds that person as the new great spokesperson for his programs and Fox News. Examples? Mark Fuhrman, William Bennett, Trent Lott, and his latest love, Geraldine Ferraro. These are only off the top of my head, but I'm certain that tere are others.

Again, VERY curious for someone who supposedly cares about equality and racial justice.

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