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ban basketball · 05-30-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Throwby

matclone - I called it racially charged because it was racially charged. I find it particularly foolish when these men who supposedly represent the gospel of Christ keep making an issue out of race. What does that have to do with his job??? Does Hillary really think the Presidency is owed her because she is white? It's a stupid comment with no basis. Yes, ban, I believe all ministers when they are speaking from the pulpit should avoid politics. If they are speaking outside their formal job, however, they have a right to voice their opinions as American citizens. As far as Michael Savage is concerned I never listen to talk radio and very little TV news so I can't address your concerns/comparisons but I doubt that he was speaking to a church when he made his comments.

The Catholic church regularly speaks out about social issues in church. In fact, I was raised strict Missouri Synod Lutheran, and by God, so did our pastors. 44 U.S. denominations also made a pulic statement against the Iraq war when it broke out. Many were done from the pulpit?

Keep in mind: one function of religion for a society is to push for social change.; to get us to better our lives here on earth.

Still don't think race plays on our fears? Another black reolutionary speaking out, but especially, he's behind a pulpit. Look out!

Throwby · 05-30-2008, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by ban basketball

The Catholic church regularly speaks out about social issues in church. In fact, I was raised strict Missouri Synod Lutheran, and by God, so did our pastors. 44 U.S. denominations also made a pulic statement against the Iraq war when it broke out. Many were done from the pulpit?

Keep in mind: one function of religion for a society is to push for social change.; to get us to better our lives here on earth.

Still don't think race plays on our fears? Another black reolutionary speaking out, but especially, he's behind a pulpit. Look out!

Speaking concerning social injustice is a bit different than make a racial issue about a Presidential candidate when you have nothing but the hot air flaming out of your butt to base it on.

Yes, I think race does play on your fears but I think you are in the minority.

ban basketball · 05-30-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Throwby

Speaking concerning social injustice is a bit different than make a racial issue about a Presidential candidate when you have nothing but the hot air flaming out of your butt to base it on.

Yes, I think race does play on your fears but I think you are in the minority.

How does race play on my fears? I'm acused of a lot of things, but that's a newbie. Here's what I'd like to know: how does it play on my fears but not on most others'?

Tight-Waist · 05-30-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by BonnieJ2

It's weird. Rev. Pfleger has done so much good for Chicago in the past 20 years, but I do agree that his comments were unacceptable. I don't know why, especially given he was at Trinity, that he wouldn't weigh his words and thoughts more carefully. Ironic that so many "spiritual leaders" are in the spotlight for saying such hateful things.

Because their true commitment is to social change and not spiritual matters.

Tight-Waist · 05-30-2008, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by matclone

I suppose you call this racially charged because he used inflammatory language. Fair enough. But if Michael Savage talks about race (which he does about every day), and uses inflammatory language (which he does every day), should he also shut his pie hole?

Isn't it true that we have a double standard in this country--that it is more wrong to talk about vestiges of racism in this country than it is to carelessless (or explicitly) denigrate people based on their race?

Did anyone notice the story about Willie Randolph apologizing (apologizing?) because he committed the cardinal sin of mentioning that race might be involved in criticizism of his job as manager?

There's an element of truth in what this paster says. I would probably not have said it that way, but then I probably would not be addressing a black congregation. In criticising him, consider who is is talking to.

Btw, I don't consider the language hateful. It may be exaggerated--again, however, we have consider it in the context of his audience, and not as if he's talking to us--but not hateful. As a white person I feel no threat whatsoever from this kind of speech.

CHICAGO - Sen. Barack Obama sought Thursday night to extinguish a burgeoning controversy over another Chicago minister who supports him, denouncing the comments of a Catholic priest who said “a whole lot of white people [are] crying” because a black man was within reach of the Democratic presidential nomination.

Well first of all, Savage (who I personally despise and WISH would shut his pie hole) is a political commentator, thus it is his mission statement to comment (be it ever so insipid) on current affairs/political issues.

You say this country (or do you mean white America?) has a double standard when it come to race perceptions verses outright bigotry, and that you ask "is it more wrong to talk about vestiges of racism in this country than it is to carelessless (or explicitly) denigrate people based on their race?" Let me remind you the ONLY racist statements being made in this campaign are the ones being made by the friends and close associates of Obama a few of whom I might add are outspoken proponants of one of the most racist men in America, Minister Farrakhan.

matclone · 05-30-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone85

So we can't call somebody a jackass (even if he is a jackass) if they are a different color than us? And maybe Savage was talking about an illegal alien that raped and then killed a child in Phoenix; that's a scumbag in my book and should be sent back home. Most of the people that I know call a jackass a jackass and a scumbag a scumbag...w/o caring about the color of the skin. It doesn't make any difference as far as I'm concerned.

Don't change the subject or my argument. Savage was not talking about anyone in particular, but rather a certain group in general.

matclone · 05-30-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Throwby

I find it particularly foolish when these men who supposedly represent the gospel of Christ keep making an issue out of race.

What should they do, ignore it? I'm sure the congregation is well aware of the problem of race even if white America is in denial.

Cyclone85 · 05-30-2008, 05:28 PM

Well, then you're just wrong. I've never heard him make that kind of a statement about immigrants; illegal aliens -- yes. Also, I thought you said somebody called that West guy a jackass. Can't they do that?

Originally Posted by matclone

Don't change the subject or my argument. Savage was not talking about anyone in particular, but rather a certain group in general.

matclone · 05-30-2008, 05:34 PM

See no evil. Hear no evil.

And here you again re-direct my point in order to knock it down. I didn't say no one is precluded from calling someone else a jackass, nor did I say a jackass wasn't a jackass or isnt' deserving of being called a jackass. I said something completely different. But, shhh, we're not supposed to talk about race in America except to denigrate or discount those who raise the issue. Shhhh!

Tight-Waist · 05-30-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by matclone

What should they do, ignore it? I'm sure the congregation is well aware of the problem of race even if white America is in denial.

"White America" is NOT in denial matclone.

Only those that view "White America" as intrinsically racist, see a problem with race in America.

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