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Old 05-26-2008, 01:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I had a conversation with a friend and parent at a Freestyle practice last week. He is an Army vet and has served two deployments in Iraq. here is an excerpt from an article "Change That Matters" that reminded me of our conversation. I'll post some of his comments later:

"The Iraqi army and government have done exactly what Democrats have asked of it, and the Democrats remain hostile. Their disdain and animosity has not diminished one iota. Nor has their desire to abandon Iraq to a grim fate.
We keep hearing that this year's presidential election will be about judgment. If so: advantage McCain. For when it comes to the surge, not only have Obama and his party been in error; they have been inflexible in error. They have been so committed to a false narrative of American defeat that they cannot acknowledge the progress that has been made on the ground. That isn't judgment. It's inanity."
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Add to that that Fidel Castro called Obama, "the most-advanced candidate in the presidential race." Such an endorsement by Castro is not what I would want.

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Old 05-26-2008, 02:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Add to that that Fidel Castro called Obama, "the most-advanced candidate in the presidential race." Such an endorsement by Castro is not what I would want.

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Old 05-26-2008, 04:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Anyway, I was at Freestyle practice sitting by Dave, the Iraqi vet, and realized that everything I had heard on the Iraq War has come through the media and Dave and I had never talked about it. We'd talked wrestling, family, where we're from, etc. but never his experience so I asked him what it was like. He began with "it's nothing like what you see in the news media". He reiterated that later in the conversation so he was making a point. He was stationed in Ramadi when it was the hottest place for violence in Iraq and was there through the changes under Petraeus. I asking him what the effect was. He said "it was pretty boring, I'm not saying there was no violence at all but it was so scarce there wasn't much for us to do. The people were quite friendly once we got the local leaders on board". I asked him what the morale was and he mentioned "reenlistments are WAY up there and that the soldiers he knew (out of Fort Carson) are overwhelmingly for the effort. They feel like they have a mission that is worthwhile and they want to be allowed to complete it". I also mentioned the group Iraq Veteran's Against the War. His comment was "You're always going to have a few people that have a bad experience" but indicated that he feels they represent a very small minority in the big picture. I also asked him if he felt there was any direct connection between our presence in Iraq and potential terrorism by Al Qaida here in the States. He expressed that he feels if we don't do battle there we will be doing it here.

I have only heard indirect comments from one other Iraq veteran and ironically his observations of the situation there were almost identical. He was not out of Carson and they did not serve at the same time or place.

I want to see our troops come home as much as the next person but it was refreshing to hear something straight from someone who has been there and seen it first hand.
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There was no violence before US got there either. Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before the invasion. Al Qaeda is not cornered there. It went there by choice.
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There was no violence before US got there either. Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before the invasion. Al Qaeda is not cornered there. It went there by choice.
I guess that depends on your concept of the word "violence", but it is what it is and there are people who feel they have a mission to complete.
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:14 PM   #7 (permalink)
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There is only one mission there: to turn an independent nation into a dependent one. Dependent on the USA.
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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There is only one mission there: to turn an independent nation into a dependent one. Dependent on the USA.
Well, I guess Oz has spoken and you can't argue with Oz.
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I would.
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:41 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Big View Post
There was no violence before US got there either. Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before the invasion. Al Qaeda is not cornered there. It went there by choice.
There was no mass murder
There were no rape rooms
There were no torture chambers
There were no gassings
There were no disappearances
There was no intimidation
There was no fear

It was all peace love and harmony right Big?
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