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Old 05-29-2008, 12:16 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by skipster View Post
You're absolutely right, jpv. Those children in Iraq didn't need schools built for them. The women in Iraq didn't really need to vote anyway. The people if Iraq don't want to be free and they certainly don't want to live under a government that doesn't kill them at a moment's notice.

You're right -- no good has come out of this war. Everything should be back how it was before. Out of sight, out of mind.
Maybe JPV has a point? Life in Iraq was SO much better then!
First, there was the joy of being a Kurd under Saddam! The gassing were a... a GAS!

And what about all that hot sex going on in Saddam's rape rooms! YeeHaa

I understand the screams from the torture rooms made for a harmonious echo throughout the land!

And not just Saddam, but his sons! 'Ol Usay I hear was quite the motivator of the national soccer team!

Yes... everything and everyone was so much happier under Saddam and Sons.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:18 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Tight-Waist View Post
Maybe JPV has a point? Life in Iraq was SO much better then!
First, there was the joy of being a Kurd under Saddam! The gassing were a... a GAS!

And what about all that hot sex going on in Saddam's rape rooms! YeeHaa

I understand the screams from the torture rooms made for a harmonious echo throughout the land!

And not just Saddam, but his sons! 'Ol Usay I hear was quite the motivator of the national soccer team!

Yes... everything and everyone was so much happier under Saddam and Sons.
Don't misquote me, or put words in my mouth. I never said "nothing good has come out of this war." What I did say is that for anyone to believe that this war was humanitarian in principle is buying into the misinformation from the administration.
Shall we go through all of the "reasons" the public was fed for invading another country unprovoked? And many still eat what they're dishing, including, apparently, you.
I will not ignore the positive social and humanitarian results of the war; however, these were not the aim.
Again, why do we ignore the dozens of other countries around the world with equal or worse regimes?
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:03 PM   #23 (permalink)
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jpv, you're arguing with people who have no intention of addressing your arguments head-on. You can pretty much expect an end run or trick plays everytime.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:06 PM   #24 (permalink)
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We exchanged Saddam's rape rooms for suicide bombers. Way to go! I tell you Saddam kept order in the country, something is still missing now.

Meanwhile, two suicide attacks focused on Iraqi security forces in the country’s north killed 19 on Thursday, three weeks after the American and Iraqi militaries launched a crackdown to restore order in the region’s largest city, Mosul.

The deadliest of the two attacks was in Sinjar, a town 60 miles west of Mosul in a mixed Yazidi, Sunni Arab and Kurdish area. The police said a bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up outside the town’s police station, where volunteers were lined up hoping to join the force, even though recruitment had been halted at the time because of an earlier warning about possible attacks on recruiting stations.

Among the 16 killed in the attack Thursday were two policemen. Fifteen others were injured, including five police officers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/30/wo...hp&oref=slogin
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:43 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Don't misquote me, or put words in my mouth. I never said "nothing good has come out of this war." What I did say is that for anyone to believe that this war was humanitarian in principle is buying into the misinformation from the administration.
Shall we go through all of the "reasons" the public was fed for invading another country unprovoked? And many still eat what they're dishing, including, apparently, you.
I will not ignore the positive social and humanitarian results of the war; however, these were not the aim.
Again, why do we ignore the dozens of other countries around the world with equal or worse regimes?
What do you believe the aim of the war was? Why is helping Iraqis so offensive to you? Does it matter why we went into Iraq if we are doing all these good things there? You will be hard-pressed to find an Iraqi whose life is worse off now than it was before 2003.

Perhaps we are ignoring the dozen or so other countries with problems because we can only do so much at a time. Remember that 56 other nations besides the US sent troops and aid for the war with Iraq in 2003. But, you are sounding as though you are upset that something positive has come out of this war in which you think no positive shoudl have come.

So, I will ask, what problem do you have with liberating the oppressed in Iraq?
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:03 PM   #26 (permalink)
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You will be hard-pressed to find an Iraqi whose life is worse off now than it was before 2003

Just 38 per cent of Iraqis believe that the situation in the country is better now than before the 2003 invasion, while 50 per cent think it is worse, a survey of more than 2,000 Iraqis showed.

This contrasts sharply with a similar survey conducted in November, 2005, which showed that 71 per cent of Iraqis believed that their lives had improved.

The new poll, commissioned by the BBC, ABC News, Germany's ARD television and the USA Today newspaper also revealed that only 18 per cent of Iraqis have confidence in US and coalition troops.

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