Originally Posted by JustFishing

If you take Adam and Eve as a metaphor, you have absolutely no basis for sin and the curse, thereby eliminating the need for a Savior.

After all, if Adam and Eve are just a figure of speech and don’t exist, then why do we need a Savior?

Jesus quoted from the book of Genesis concerning marriage.

If a Christian starts taking the foundation out of the Bible (Genesis), What is he left with? Cannot he do the same everywhere else? Didn’t Jesus say, not one Tot nor Tittle shall pass before all of these prophecies come true?

I don’t think Jesus was talking about Mother Goose stories.

Originally Posted by furches

I don't know if you misunderstand the purpose of the post or not, it seems as if you do. If looking for Jesus view or a New Testament perspective it seems as it would be better to look at the geneology of Jesus as a stronger piece of evidence. I tend to disagree with the ability to learn from metaphor in scripture, as I think you can. Various parts of the Bible are filled with metaphor, for example the parables as well as many of the Psalms, yet there are valuable lessons there. It seems to me that the intent of what scripture teaches is a foundation point of seeing the value in scripture. By the way, serious research into some of the history and origins of some of the parables is rather important, as historians know that some of those concepts existed in other religious thought prior to Jesus teachings on those subjects. Where the knowledge of those teachings come from is of course up for debate but the fact that some were popular upwards of a thousand years or more in other religious thought is not.

To answer the question about a savior, I would say that if as a metaphor, they are representative of any individual, then that is the reasoning for a savior. In other words, is it not possible, that we are just as guilty of disobeying God as they were? Is it possible that we are just as guilty of pride as they were? Using religious terms, while a seed of sin may have been passed down from generation in each person, each person is still accountable for their own individual wrongs. It could go back to the concept of where does truth come from?

Originally Posted by Throwby

Perhaps you fella's missed the point of the thread, "I am not wanting to discuss the reality of Adam and Eve as that would lead to a ton of debate..."

Originally Posted by oc

Take a materialistic worldview, or, a Biblical literalist and truth is lost. Literalist argue for the Bible to be true everything must be taken literally (except John 6). Literal therfore equals truth, while non literal equals error. This is absurd, Little Red Riding Hood is full of truths (listen to trustworthy adults, stay on the straight and narrow path, if you wander into the woods, get back on the path as quick as possible, if not appetite, the wolf, will kill you), important truths all. Materialism argues, all you see is all there is. This is also absurd. Materialist philosophy kills the believers sense of wonder, they become jaded and alienated. So, the literalist misses much of the truth in scripture, it's over his head as it were. While the materialist is dead to all but the most obvious truth in scripture (honor your father and mother for example). Oh well, what can you do?

Originally Posted by ctc

They were created male and female. They were perfect. Death and sin had not entered the world yet. They disobeyed God - death resulted. Tamper with this and the Bible is totally worthless.