ctc

Where have you guys been? Obama gave up on Kentucky because Fox News has painted him unfairly and those people are not the intelligent sophisticated crowd that he prefers to hang out with. He said so himself.

Tight-Waist

It seems I read somewhere that no Democrat has won the Presidency without winning West Virginia.

sgallan

Perhaps, but I somehow doubt that state will be the key to the election.

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I don't see how she has an argument. The nomination never has been decided based on popular votes, it is decided based on delegate count.
Gore won the popular vote in 2000.

There are plenty counter arguments that Obama could make, for one in caucuses not as many people vote because of the nature of caucuses.
However, none of this matters the rules had already been established.
It is like a football team debating that they should have won because they gained more yards even though they scored less points.

I also don't believe there will be a big defection when Obama gets the nomination. He has not really stooped to dirty politicsnad her most passionate supporters are most likely very liberal and won't be voting for McCain under any circumstances.

ban basketball

Just the title of this thread has me picturing Mudflap telling us the story of how Obama has dissed and ignored him!

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fron the dailykos:

They've made up their minds in Kentucky
by kos Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:20:20 AM PDT
Check this out:

Clinton Obama
SUSA, 3/28-30: 58 29
SUSA, 4/12-14: 62 29
SUSA, 4/26-28: 63 27
SUSA, 5/03-05: 62 28
SUSA, 5/09-11: 62 30
SUSA, 5/16-18: 62 31

Note that Clinton has essentially camped out in Kentucky all week (and the region for several weeks), while Obama has made nothing but a perfunctory visit or two. Clinton's numbers haven't budged for a month. Support for both sides in the state have solidified, and it seems as if nothing could ever pry additional numbers loose in Clinton's direction.

It's really odd to see numbers that unmoving across so many polls. I've never seen anything like it before."

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matclone

Reminds me of a really fine song done by the Osborne Bros:

(Karl Davis)

Kentucky you are the dearest land outside of heaven to me
Kentucky your laurels your redbud trees
When I die I want to rest upon some peaceful mountains so high
For that is where God will look for me.

--- Instrumental ---

Kentucky I miss the old folks singing in the silvery moonlight
Kentucky I miss the hound dogs chasing coons
I know that my mother dad and sweetheart are awaiting for me
Kentucky I will be coming soon...

contini

I don't see how she has an argument. The nomination never has been decided based on popular votes, it is decided based on delegate count.
Gore won the popular vote in 2000.

There are plenty counter arguments that Obama could make, for one in caucuses not as many people vote because of the nature of caucuses.
However, none of this matters the rules had already been established.
It is like a football team debating that they should have won because they gained more yards even though they scored less points.

You know that, I know that, and most people here know that. But the problem is, how do you win over her most loyal supporters? There are a lot of newsgroups where many people are saying they want Clinton and refuse to support Obama. They say they will either write in Hillary or vote for McCain as a protest vote. It's a lot more difficult to win over these die-hard Hillary fans if they really think their candidate was cheated out of the nomination. Now when I say "cheated", I'm using their language which is not logical. But Hillary is trying to make the argument that she deserves the nomination, and when the super delegates don't buy it, I guarantee that you are going to hear a lot of ignorant blabbering about how the media has colluded with Obama to get him the nomination. I guarantee this will happen. Obama will have to take Hillary as his VP in order to have a chance at beating election to McCain. I'm sad to say it, but that is the reality.


I also don't believe there will be a big defection when Obama gets the nomination. He has not really stooped to dirty politicsnad her most passionate supporters are most likely very liberal and won't be voting for McCain under any circumstances.


I agree with you that he has not stooped, but many of her die-hard supporters disagree. Just read the political newsgroups and blogs to see all the garbage that is out there. And Hillary has helped magnify it. I do not like Hillary one bit. Trying to change the rules after the game has been played rather than bowing out gracefully.

contini

It looks like Clinton should win Kentucky by short of 200,000 votes, so as long as Obama takes Oregon, Clinton will not be able to strengthen her argument about popular vote lead. The only way she can claim such a lead is by including Michigan and ignoring all the estimated caucus results. Good, that means that if Clinton keeps on pushing this popular vote argument which is clearly deceptive, then she will not gain many super delegates at all.

contini

Here are stats to backup my previous claim about angry Hillary supporters:

A majority of voters in Kentucky said they would be dissatisfied if Obama is the nominee, including nearly 8 in 10 Clinton voters. By contrast, half of Obama’s supporters say they would be dissatisfied with Mrs. Clinton.

Just 1 in 3 Clinton voters said they would vote for Mr. Obama in a general election. About 4 in 10 of them said they would vote for John McCain, the likely Republican nominee. And nearly 1 in 4 said they wouldn’t vote at all.

In contrast, 7 in 10 of Obama supporters said they would back Mrs. Clinton against Mr. McCain in November.