Huckabee jokes about Obama being shot

JensenS · 05-18-2008, 12:09 PM

Maybe if you used a PASSWORD it'd be easier to see where he was coming from.

BonnieJ2 · 05-18-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by slayer

Wow, your world is warped man.

I was thinking the same thing. It's a different world for some. Still it's pretty insensitive to joke about a presidential candidate being shot.

Spider · 05-18-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by skipster

Spider,

I understand that people may think about things differently. Strict literal interpretation of the Bible does not necessarily deny ALL scientific evidence. Maybe it would deny some scientific evidence, but we should remember that the Bible is full of literary allegories, allusions, and analogies. It was never meant to be taken by the letter on everything, and Huckabee has said that. Huckabee and his record as a governor have shown us that faith and government can peacefully and successfully coexist.

I agree with that 100%, and if that's what Huckabee really believes, then I misjudged him. Again, I have no problem with a religious candidate, no matter what the religion, as long as he doesn't in any way allow his religious beliefs to influence his presidential decisions. I know that it's often hard to determine where pure morality ends and religion begins since they do overlap, but I will again offer an example of what I feel to be the difference:

It's okay for an elected official to object to gay marriage because he feels that it is inherently immoral, like having sex with an animal, but it is not okay for an elected official to object to it because the Bible condemns homosexuality or because a particular religion calls it a sin.

. . . and by the way, who said I was going to vote for Obama? I'm still undecided, and the choice of running mates will play a role in my decision.

Spider · 05-18-2008, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by ctc

Spider,
Declaring that there isn't scientific evidence that the earth is much younger and that there is scientific evidence saying that the earth is absolutely billions of years old is nonsense. I invite you to the world of scientific creationism. I read much from www.answersingenesis.com . May I suggest you go there and "search" for some interesting articles that might enlighten you.
I have been watching some great pieces called "Incredible Creatures That Defy Evolution" by Dr Jobe Martin. He is a dentist that was once an athiest and who was teaching evolution at Baylor Dental College in Dallas. He even was the dentist for one of the presidents. His evolution beliefs were brought into question by a couple of his students. He researched what they had to say and then began researching animals. As a result, he became a creationists and a Christian.
Here's a link -
http://bibleprobe.com/beetle.htm

Hi, Coach,

I'll tell you something about my faith. I have faith that the mainstream scientific community are seekers of truth, no matter where the evidence may lead. I have faith that they do not ignore or discard evidence that doesn't support the current accepted theories. I have faith that generally accepted scientific theories are based upon sound research and observation, not junk science. And I know that putting Doctor or Dentist in front of someone's name, or Ph.D. after it, does not necessarily enhance his or her credibility.

In friendship,
Spider

arm-spin · 05-19-2008, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Spider

I agree with that 100%, and if that's what Huckabee really believes, then I misjudged him. Again, I have no problem with a religious candidate, no matter what the religion, as long as he doesn't in any way allow his religious beliefs to influence his presidential decisions. I know that it's often hard to determine where pure morality ends and religion begins since they do overlap, but I will again offer an example of what I feel to be the difference:

It's okay for an elected official to object to gay marriage because he feels that it is inherently immoral, like having sex with an animal, but it is not okay for an elected official to object to it because the Bible condemns homosexuality or because a particular religion calls it a sin.

. . . and by the way, who said I was going to vote for Obama? I'm still undecided, and the choice of running mates will play a role in my decision.

I agree with you in theory, but I agree especially that it's difficult to seperate "pure morality" from religion. I know that for myself, my religious beliefs so strongly influence my moral beliefs that I don't think I could ever unravel the two, even if I wanted to. I do think that elected officials should try to consider the needs of others who do not share their faith (gay marriage being a good example).

Tight-Waist · 05-19-2008, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by JensenS

I imagine we'll start to hear quite a bit of balderdash from all the candidates.

Huckabee is definitely an idiot.

*chortle*

Tight-Waist · 05-19-2008, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Spider

Hi, Coach,

I'll tell you something about my faith. I have faith that the mainstream scientific community are seekers of truth, no matter where the evidence may lead. I have faith that they do not ignore or discard evidence that doesn't support the current accepted theories. I have faith that generally accepted scientific theories are based upon sound research and observation, not junk science. And I know that putting Doctor or Dentist in front of someone's name, or Ph.D. after it, does not necessarily enhance his or her credibility.

In friendship,
Spider

Spider for the vast majority of this I heartily agree. However, I do believe there are those in the scientific community who have a predisposed notion about climate change and are totally opposed to open debate.

(BTW... I really like your pics!)

arm-spin · 05-19-2008, 09:52 AM

My dad's in the "scientific community", he's a professor of meteorology. He tells me that there was- and is- tons of debate about climate change. I asked him a few years ago and he said there was no consensus about climate change, if it was occuring and, if so, why. Now he says most scientists accept that climate change is happening and that human being are at least partly responsible.

I fear that it might be the political, not the scientific, elements of society that oppose open debate on the issue, which is really too bad. Climate change should not be a partisan issue.

Spider · 05-19-2008, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by arm-spin

I know that for myself, my religious beliefs so strongly influence my moral beliefs that I don't think I could ever unravel the two, even if I wanted to.

I know that religion teaches may valuable moral lessons, but it also contains messages that are debatable from a strictly moral point of view, yet dogma from a religions one. The example in my post was an attempt to show what kind of morality I find acceptable in politics, and what kind I don't.

Spider · 05-19-2008, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Tight-Waist

Spider for the vast majority of this I heartily agree. However, I do believe there are those in the scientific community who have a predisposed notion about climate change and are totally opposed to open debate.

(BTW... I really like your pics!)

There are stubborn asses in any field, but I tend to trust the mainstream majority.

Glad you like my pix. Ditto to yours.

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