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    Brazil is also where they mandated and are now running almost entirely on cane sugar ethanol. They are proving to us that "grassoline" is not economically viable. Remember, though, that there can be no capitalist "tail wagging the dog." People will only buy what they want. Many products have come and gone because people didn't want them. No product has been totally unwanted and survived just becaue of the power of suggestion. Industry can't shape consumer demand because there is too much risk of failure. Industry reponds to innovation and consumer demand.

    If the ideas you are referring to are to come to fruition, they will when the consumer wants them. People very readily will tell you what they want -- with their wallets.

    Not entirely true. The electric car was entirely killed, in part, from the very people who stood to profit from it. Demand exceeded supply, yet it was killed.

    The film, "Who Killed the Electric Car" details all of it. However, the website below is just as good of a source.

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    I was hiking last night past a railroad track. A train went by, and its load was entirely flat cars, with trailers on top--of the sort one sees on the back of a truck, complete with wheels and all. It appears one way to deal with the gas crisis is to ship the goods by rail instead.

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    The tail wagging the dog examples are too numerous to mention. Here's one: who would have thought that people would pay exhorbitant prices for bottled water, when drinking water is relatively free and plentiful all over the U.S.?

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    The tail wagging the dog examples are too numerous to mention. Here's one: who would have thought that people would pay exhorbitant prices for bottled water, when drinking water is relatively free and plentiful all over the U.S.?
    I didn't even read the rest of this thread, but this one drives me crazy. Hmmm... pay $2 or open the tap... let me think.

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    Back in the 50's Indianapolis had the best commuter system in the country -trolley cars which ran on Electric tracks . Then one day Rockefeller and his Horde of attorneys and leg breakers came in and challenged the safety of these trolleys -as if Rockefeller ever cared about anyone-well , before the trial was over Rockefeller had the tracks ripped apart -when the apellate court said Rockefeller had bribed officials and several witnesses had purjured themselves and they overturned the verdict there was nothing left to return to save a new bus company owned by -guess who-so now , if you are poor in Indy you walk .
    Since we are on the topic of transportation why is it illegal to drive w/out insurance ? To drive an automobile you must have a license, plates and insurance -all of which you pay for and pay taxes on -I thought the income tax was used to keep the infrastructure of the country running -where does the money from ''wheel ''tax go?

    I'm going to answer my own question-because the insurance companies lobbys are more powerful than the NRA.
    to drive today will cost you ,after gas ,insurance plates and taxes well over $3,000.00 a year -and that is if you own your vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    "Brazil is also where they mandated and are now running almost entirely on cane sugar ethanol. They are proving to us that "grassoline" is not economically viable."

    -How does Brazil running almost entirely on "grassoline" prove it isn't economically viable?

    "Industry can't shape consumer demand because there is too much risk of failure. Industry reponds to innovation and consumer demand."

    -If industry can't shape demand, why do they spend so much on advertising? Are you saying that marketing and advertising has no effect on demand?
    Matclone pointed out that Brazil had large disparities of wealth and implied that was a bad thing. I merely pointed out that Brazil uses cane sugar athanol for motor vehicle fuel, not oil. If disparities in wealth were indiccative of a bad nation or economy, as matclone implies, we can see that using alternative fuels won't change income distribution.

    When we talk about industry shaping consumer demand, some of you are saying that individuals have no capability of making decisions on their own and are required to buy whatever is advertised to them. I am saying that people will make up their own minds, regardless of advertising. I can not tell you how many advertisements I see for things that I do not buy. If you take a marketing class, you will find that the main point of advertising is to let the consumer know that you exist and what you have to sell. The bottom line is that the consumer will make up his own mind -- you can not make up his mind for him.

    It doesn't matter how much you advertise something people don't like, they won't buy it unless they want it.

    The problem is that many of you think that everyone MUST have the same values you do (eerily like al-Queda). You think that people are swayed by advertising if they buy things that you wouldn't buy or you think that everyone else is easily persuaded if you are easily persuaded. But, people are all different. One thing that they share is that they don't buy things they don't want. If the demand isn't there, no amount of advertising will create demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    The tail wagging the dog examples are too numerous to mention. Here's one: who would have thought that people would pay exhorbitant prices for bottled water, when drinking water is relatively free and plentiful all over the U.S.?
    Those who bought bottled water bought it becaue they wanted it. Maybe they wanted it for different reasons, but they surely wanted it. Like I explained earlier, you seem to think that people that don't share your values are wrong, much like Islamic extremists who think people who don't share their religious views are wrong.

    Whatever is is about bottled water appealed to the buyers. I have bought it before simply because it was in a bottle and I wasn't near a municipal water source at the time. I have also bought it because I wanted some water and it was cold. People can buy it for numerous reasons, but that doesn't indicate the tail wagging the dog.

    In fact, this indicates the opposite!! This shows us industry meeting consumer demand before the product was available. My brother works for Coca-Cola. He told me that large volumes of requests for bottled water triggered Coke to look into offering a plain water product. They conducted numerous market studies and surveys. Their survey responses and market studies revealed that many consumers of Coca-Cola products would also buy bottled water from Coca-Cola. Thus, they offered Dasani bottled water as another product in their beverage line.

    Sure, they launched an ad campaign for it, as they would with anything else. But, their customers told them they wanted bottled water BEFORE it was even offered.

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    DASANI -isn't that the coca-cola product proven to be tap water ? In fact ,I am sure it is .
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    I don't think anyone said it wasn't tap water. Coca-Cola just markets it as purified water, which is what your tap water is. All that purified means is that the water has been filtered and treated.

    But, you're missing the point. Coke's customers told the beverage maker that they wanted Coke to sell water, then Coke sold it. The consumer told the industry what it wanted and the industry responded.

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