Hillary Clinton is done

Cyclone85 · 05-07-2008, 10:04 PM

She may cut a deal with Obama to get the debt paid. I've heard of this happening before, though I have no proof. She did loan her campaign 6.5 mil today or something like that; not a good sign. The money is gone.

I think the *only* way Hillary can stay in is if she goes nuclear on Obama. She will have to dig something up better than JWright. Or -- if somehow she can weasel Florida and Michigan into the mix. She would likely win there and things could change then.

Originally Posted by RYou

Now she's after the superdelegates, trying to convince them to switch their vote and go against the will of the voters.

Typical, conniving, liar.

As for the debt...LOL, let her and Billybob suck up the expense from their trash book deals. Betcha she stiffs them all.

therick · 05-08-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

Now don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think most presidential candidates should be going to McGovern for their presidentail race information/advice.

That's not really the point. McGovern is a long time friend and political ally of both of the Clinton's and had originally come out in support of Hillary. He actually called them and spoke with Bill at length before coming out publicly with his decision. Now, he's switched his endorsement. That sends a message to many of the other undeclared super delegates as well as to those who came out early in support of Hillary.

I have to laugh every time the Clinton campaign brings up Michigan. First off, there is no telling how that state would have gone had both Obama and Edwards campaigned and been on the ballot there. Second, the Michigan democratic party knew their results would be disallowed based on party rules and yet they still held the primary. It's obvious that many in that state understood what was going on by the 40%(237,762) who voted for "uncommitted" in the primary.

therick · 05-08-2008, 12:21 PM

I don't think that She helps him in any way as VP. The point of the VP is to improve a candidate's chances in states where he is weak or to give the candidate a better chance in one of the swing states. She hasn't blown him out in any race where the Democrats are considered strong in the general election, so why bring her onto the ticket? I also discount those polls that say that her supporters will vote for McCain. This isn't a new phenomenon in elections and in the past the hard core members of a party (and let's face it, she's not strong with independents) will come back to the party once the nominee is chosen. The same thing is happening in the GOP with McCain. Remember when there were folks claiming they'd vote Democrat if Romney lost to McCain?

BonnieJ2 · 05-08-2008, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by therick

...the Michigan democratic party knew their results would be disallowed based on party rules and yet they still held the primary. It's obvious that many in that state understood what was going on by the 40%(237,762) who voted for "uncommitted" in the primary.

Not only the 40% Uncommitted vote - a lot of people said they stayed home because they wanted to vote for Obama and he wasn't on the ticket.

FloggingSully · 05-08-2008, 02:22 PM

I heard a report that even if Michigan and Florida were counted the way they voted way back when, that Obama would still be in the lead in both pledge delagates and popular votes. Anyone know if that's true?

Spider · 05-08-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by FloggingSully

I heard a report that even if Michigan and Florida were counted the way they voted way back when, that Obama would still be in the lead in both pledge delagates and popular votes. Anyone know if that's true?

I know this: if Hillary thought that counting Michigan and Florida would help Obama and he were trying to include them, she'd be yelling foul and insisting that the rules be followed and not changed in midstream. All that bull$hit about including everyone's vote is a crock.

I'm still undecided as to whether I'll vote for McCain or Obama, but if Hillary were the candidate, the choice would be easy.

therick · 05-08-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Spider

I know this: if Hillary thought that counting Michigan and Delaware would help Obama and he were trying to include them, she'd be yelling foul and insisting that the rules be followed and not changed in midstream. All that bull$hit about including everyone's vote is a crock.

I'm still undecided as to whether I'll vote for McCain or Obama, but if Hillary were the candidate, the choice would be easy.

I don't think you're alone in your thought process for the general election. One thing that both McCain and Obama have in common is they both appeal many middle of the road independent voters. Clinton completely turns off those in the middle who lean a little to the right.

contini · 05-08-2008, 04:24 PM

Looks like the reason why Hillary won Indiana was because of Rush Limbaugh's operation chaos.

ban basketball · 05-08-2008, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by contini

Looks like the reason why Hillary won Indiana was because of Rush Limbaugh's operation chaos.

I haven't seen the breakdown from Indiana, but it had literally zero effect on the results in Pennsylvania. In fact, people who switched parties voted for Obama by a two-thirds margin. Yet, comedian Rush Limbaugh STILL tried to say that it is what made all of the difference. The polls clearly showed the opposite.

contini · 05-08-2008, 06:44 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050703932.html

Also notable was that in Indiana, six in 10 Republicans who supported Clinton on Tuesday said they would vote for presumptive GOP nominee John McCain over Clinton in the fall, if that were the matchup. By contrast, most Republicans who voted for Obama said they would back him against McCain. And a slight majority of Republicans who voted for Clinton in Indiana told pollsters that she does not share their values, raising further questions about why they supported her.