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    Default The problems with current immigration (illegal & legal) in the USA

    This video demonstrates why the current USA immigration policy and lack of border control (illegal immigration) has to be changed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
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    What does it say? Is it fair, or is there only a single point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    What does it say? Is it fair, or is there only a single point of view.
    "fair"? I guess you didn't watch the video. I know it's a little long but if you take the time to view it I think people would agree that the USA simply cannot continue going along the path it is going on now.
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    Sorry, I don't have time to watch videos. Maybe, based on your description, I should just feel generally anxious about something.

    My standard for fair is this: does it acknowledge different points of view, or, like an infomercial or sales presentation, does it present only one point of view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Sorry, I don't have time to watch videos. Maybe, based on your description, I should just feel generally anxious about something.

    My standard for fair is this: does it acknowledge different points of view, or, like an infomercial or sales presentation, does it present only one point of view?
    It is from a single point of view based on statistics. It actually does make some very good points. I don't know that all of it is acurate, and it seems to have been heavily edited, but he does make some valid points.

    The point I found most thought provoking is the one about how we can't use immigration as an effective way to deal with struggling 3rd world countries.

    Your first sentence is kinda funny though. You've got time to argue at length on the other thread with other posters, but you don't have time to watch the video. Sorry, I just thought that was kinda odd. You argue often on threads after qualifying your statements with "I haven't read the article/watched the video, but......."

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    Put it this way: I can't watch the video on the computer I'm at now and I still don't have a clue what it's about other than immigration. Reading b/t the lines of ccbig's comment, I'm guessing it's a population/environment claim. If you want to infer some unwillingness to engage in an honest argument, go right ahead. I obviously haven't an ounce of credibility here, especially with respect to immigration, a subject on which I've read and know nothing. I'd rather call someone names than argue.

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    My brother tutors kids from disadvantaged families, apparently I should tell him he is wrong to do this because he ought to be working on re-configuring the U.S. school system. Ha. I also loved the graph, it truly is textbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Put it this way: I can't watch the video on the computer I'm at now and I still don't have a clue what it's about other than immigration. Reading b/t the lines of ccbig's comment, I'm guessing it's a population/environment claim. If you want to infer some unwillingness to engage in an honest argument, go right ahead. I obviously haven't an ounce of credibility here, especially with respect to immigration, a subject on which I've read and know nothing. I'd rather call someone names than argue.
    I'm sure you've read quite a bit. And you actually do a bit of both arguing and calling of names. I didn't infer anything. It's just a trend I've noticed both here and on the other board.

    You're right, it does have quite a bit to do with population/environment. He's certainly got an angle that he's selling, but some good points are made none the less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _SL_ View Post
    My brother tutors kids from disadvantaged families, apparently I should tell him he is wrong to do this because he ought to be working on re-configuring the U.S. school system. Ha. I also loved the graph, it truly is textbook.

    I don't know that I'd look at it that way. I took from it, that this man feels that immigration isn't the best way for the US to help those in need. I think that American foreign policy in general toward 3rd world countries needs to be completely revamped. We seem to deal with them only because of what we can get from them, as opposed to what we can help them do for themselves. There seems to be almost a protective element to our policy, in which we purposely keep the 3rd world countries down so that we have one less competitor on the world stage. Of course, then we also have the bad habit of going in and telling them how to govern themselves, as though our way is the only way.

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