Yet they treat all immigrants the same. My question is this - how do you know that someone is an illegal immigrant? How do you know that people who were marching last week were all illegals? Do you ask them? I still fail to see compassion in any of your arguments. Do you think that anyone who comes to this country illegally forfeits the right to compassion?
You can't say they treat them all the same. Yes some do but the majority do not.
You can't tell who is illegal and who is not all the time you are right. When it comes to the marches it is pretty easy to tell by the signs they were holding up. If they state "i may not be a citizen but I am still human" gives a pretty good indication. Not to mention some of them flat out said they were illegal. One of my employees volunteers to help improve the lives of illegals also told me a lot of them were illegal because he was there as well. The latest stats i saw showed that 1 out of 4 people who have Hispanic decent in Arizona are not here legally. That can also give you a pretty good idea.
No they do not forfeit the right to compassion. However, if they break the law they should pay the price.
"If they state "i may not be a citizen but I am still human" gives a pretty good indication"
-No it doesn't, plenty of people are here legally and aren't citizens.
"The latest stats i saw showed that 1 out of 4 people who have Hispanic decent in Arizona are not here legally."
-If 25% of the hispanic population left, I bet there'd still be school/walmart announcements in spanish, so you'd still probably be pissed off about them.
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"If they state "i may not be a citizen but I am still human" gives a pretty good indication"
-No it doesn't, plenty of people are here legally and aren't citizens.
"The latest stats i saw showed that 1 out of 4 people who have Hispanic decent in Arizona are not here legally."
-If 25% of the hispanic population left, I bet there'd still be school/walmart announcements in spanish, so you'd still probably be pissed off about them.
Are you kidding me? You honestly don't believe that in a march for illegal immigrant rights with a sign with that verbage is not at least a good indication of their legal status?
You are stretching a little bit there sir. But your assumptions of whether or not I would be pissed are funny.
These people are not anti-immigrant groups they are anti-Illegal Immigrant groups. There is a big difference!!!
Whatever, dude. That's on the Top Ten list of lies used by the anti-Mexican brigade. You have all their rhetorical claims down pat.
Hmm, I went through this same game with another poster last week. It's rather a waste to go on, mainly because (1) (the main thing) you really don't acknowledge the arguments made by several people here (If I were the dishonest rhetoratician employed by the anti-immigrant crowd I would say "You REFUSED to acknowledge". But I won't); (2) instead of seeing an argument through, you tend to fall back on the tired old rhetoric (I've heard it all); and, (3) you change your argument if it's not going where you want it to go. The driver's license issue is a classic. You condemn "those" people" for driving without a driver's license they can't legally obtain, and not having insurance that they can't buy (because they don't have a license). When Flogging Sully suggests allowing the driver's license, you then insist they remain illegal--in essence you're willing to condemn the people (evidently your driving motivation) either way. You can talk out of both sides of your mouth if you wish, but I want some consistency in my public policy (and arguments about the same).
What really is at issue here? Is it the legal status? I don't know how it could be, as we all break the law and we all ignore illegal actions from those whom we like.
Furthermore, we were perfectly comfortable with illegally taking the U.S. from the American Indians and breaking treaties with them.
So, why such strong, virulent opposition?
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“Whatever, dude. That's on the Top Ten list of lies used by the anti-Mexican brigade. You have all their rhetorical claims down pat. “
You have called me a liar now twice on this thread but have not been able to show where I lied. I would like to hear this Top Ten list. It would give me a good laugh.
Hmm, I went through this same game with another poster last week. It's rather a waste to go on, mainly because
(1) you really don't acknowledge the arguments made by several people here (If I were the dishonest rheoritician employed by the anti-Mexican crowd I would say "You REFUSED to see". But I won't);
Pot calling Kettle come in Kettle. The problem is that you can’t see there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration. You fall back on the same old racist and that it is just Whitey keeping the rest of the world down. Wake up man it isn’t that simple. A person can be pro immigration and anti illegal immigration. Yes it is possible.
(2) you tend to fall back on the tired old rhetoric (I've heard it all);
And yet you don’t offer anything new. Beside the same old racist stuff we hear.
(3) you change your argument if it's not going where you want it to go. The driver's license issue is a classic. You condemn "those" people" for driving without a driver's license they can't legally obtain. When Flogging Sully suggests allowing the driver's license, you then insist they remain illegal--in essence you're willing to condemn the people either way. You can talk out of both sides of your mouth if you wish, but public policy should strive for some consistency.
Yes I do condemn those people who can’t legally obtain a license. Why because they shouldn’t be here because the are ILLEGAL!!!!
And still you or Flogging Sully hasn’t been able to answer my one simple question; WHY SHOULD WE REWARD ILLGEGAL BEHAVIOR? OR WHY SHOULD THOSE WHO BROKE THE LAW GET WHAT THEY WANT AHEAD OF THE THOUSANDS WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THIS LEGALLY?
Can you answer those questions or are you just going to go back to the whole racist argument?
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"What really is at issue here? Is it the legal status? I don't know how it could be, as we all break the law and we all ignore illegal actions from those whom we like."
Ban, yes it is the legal status. They broke the law. If I broke the law then I would have to pay the piper. How do we ignore the illegal actions from those week like?
"Furthermore, we were perfectly comfortable with illegally taking the U.S. from the American Indians and breaking treaties with them."
Yes we broke treaties with the American Indians. They also broke treaties with each other. I guess we will have to continue to pay for something that happened 100 years ago. Does that give people today a get out of jail free card. No!! I wasn't alive then so I had no control over it. However, I am alive now so I can speak out against Illegal Immigration.
We excuse criminal activities in this country all the time because of motive and intent. A murder charged is lessened to manslaughter if the criminal didn't intend to kill. Plea bargains are made on a daily basis so that the legal system isn't tied up. Chance, you still haven't given a good answer as to what a man who can't feed his family in his own country is to do. All you've said is "Not my country, not my problem." Is there any compassion whatsoever in that argument?
"What really is at issue here? Is it the legal status? I don't know how it could be, as we all break the law and we all ignore illegal actions from those whom we like."
Ban, yes it is the legal status. They broke the law. If I broke the law then I would have to pay the piper. How do we ignore the illegal actions from those week like?
"Furthermore, we were perfectly comfortable with illegally taking the U.S. from the American Indians and breaking treaties with them."
Yes we broke treaties with the American Indians. They also broke treaties with each other. I guess we will have to continue to pay for something that happened 100 years ago. Does that give people today a get out of jail free card. No!! I wasn't alive then so I had no control over it. However, I am alive now so I can speak out against Illegal Immigration.
We have never paid for what we have done to the Native Americans.
We excuse criminal activities in this country all the time because of motive and intent. A murder charged is lessened to manslaughter if the criminal didn't intend to kill. Plea bargains are made on a daily basis so that the legal system isn't tied up. Chance, you still haven't given a good answer as to what a man who can't feed his family in his own country is to do. All you've said is "Not my country, not my problem." Is there any compassion whatsoever in that argument?
Blue I understand your point. And the fact that you have so much compassion can be a good thing.
No there isn't a lot of compassion in my argument. Let's put it this way...if I saw a guy hurt on the side of the street I would help them no matter their status. However, if they turned out to be illegal I would say they should be arrested and deported. I honestly do feel bad for those who die crossing the desert. However, that falls back on their government who encourages them to come here.
If it is so bad there then maybe it is time they overthrow their government. Who knows.
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