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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    Please expand...i never said everyone always followed the law. Those that don't and get caught pay the price.

    Politically we overlook "law breaking" all of the time. Is this the same old shit about Bush. If so give it a rest!!

    You are right pretty much everyone has broken the law and if caught they pay the price. I said it before. The majority of us don't break many laws besides speeding and there is a big difference between that and breaking into a country!
    You act as if this country is a private home just for the privileged few. Does the heinous crime of trying to find a better life for their family make it ok for Americans to perpetrate the hateful sentiment that ban is talking about?

    By the way, Chance, are you a Native American?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    "I should not have to pay for everything they need. I should not have to learn spanish in order to accomidate them."

    -If we "legalized" them you wouldn't have to pay for everything they need. And what exactly do they need that you have to pay for?

    Go back to my point as to why we should reward illegal behavior. 2nd is I would still be paying for them through my taxes.

    -Why do you have to learn spanish, is this a new law where you live? If it is it a good idea, I think our country would be better off if everyone learned a second language.

    There are a lot of places where I live that you need to a know a little bit of spanish now just to get by. In schools they have announcements in Spanish. What about the kids that don't know Spanish? At fast food restraunts here a lot of the workers barely speak English so if you don't know a little spanish your order will be jacked. In Walmarts and Targets the announcements are in Spanish.

    Again why should I be forced to learn a second language because of those who break into this country won't learn our language.
    The United States doesn't have an official language. Are the announcements only in Spanish? And what do your taxes pay for with illegal immigrants? They don't have social security numbers, so they can't get very many social services. I always wonder when people say "my taxes are paying for them." How? Doing what?

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    Good points all by ban, flogging sully, and bluestater. Chance174 sounds reasonable until he falls back on the rhetorical exaggerations and lies repeated by the poobahs of hate. I assume he doesn't think we're all such complete idiots as to believe that someone actually demand that he speak Spanish. And of course he wasn't at any of those parades where he claims they had to be told to waive the American flag (I was, I can tell you otherwise, but I'm not the angry white man in the suit so what do I know?). That rhetoric claims are codespeak for all the bigots in America who care not a whit for accuracy or history or reason, and are fueled instead by some underlying fear, anxiety or hatred of those different than them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestater View Post
    You act as if this country is a private home just for the privileged few. Does the heinous crime of trying to find a better life for their family make it ok for Americans to perpetrate the hateful sentiment that ban is talking about?

    By the way, Chance, are you a Native American?
    Listen I think it is terrible for Legal Immegrants who worked hard to come to this country for a better life are treated the way they are by some.

    If they break into this coutry illegally then they shouldn't be here in the first place. Let me ask you this.....

    Why should those who came here illegally get what they want when there are thousands across the world trying to get here legally?

    Why should the ones who broke the law get their citizenships first?

    I have friends from around the world trying to come here legally but I guess they should just break the law.

    Oh the good old Native American arguement. Let's see was America a country then? No, therefore there were no Immigration Laws!! So it doesn't matter.

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    To Ban's point:

    There is a legitimate question about what to do about immigration in this country. It's a complex issue, but reasonable people can agree to a solution.

    The legitimate question in the air is polluted by the hateful rhetoric. And let's face it, it's very hateful, as bluestater attests to.

    As ban points out, we have a history of the hateful rhetoric and fear of the newcomers. Over 200 years of such as a matter of fact. Today's story has been played out again and again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestater View Post
    The United States doesn't have an official language. Are the announcements only in Spanish? And what do your taxes pay for with illegal immigrants? They don't have social security numbers, so they can't get very many social services. I always wonder when people say "my taxes are paying for them." How? Doing what?

    It is mostly my state taxes and some federal that goes towards paying for the services for Illegals. Look at the links I sent earlier and you will see.

    No we do not have an offical language....although it has been the unofficial language almost since the country was founded.

    Yes the Announcements were only in Spanish. When my friend (mother of a student there) complained she was told that since they have more spanish speakers than english it will continue on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Good points all by ban, flogging sully, and bluestater. Chance174 sounds reasonable until he falls back on the rhetorical exaggerations and lies repeated by the poobahs of hate. I assume he doesn't think we're all such complete idiots as to believe that someone actually demand that he speak Spanish. And of course he wasn't at any of those parades where he claims they had to be told to waive the American flag (I was, I can tell you otherwise, but I'm not the angry white man in the suit so what do I know?). That rhetoric claims are codespeak for all the bigots in America who care not a whit for accuracy or history or reason, and are fueled instead by some underlying fear, anxiety or hatred of those different than them.
    Clone...please point out where I lied. Yes people down here actually demanded that I speak spanish. I actually had to leave a place because I didn't speak Spanish and nobody there spoke Spanish (before I learned some of it). I personally don't care if you believe me or not. I know what I experienced.

    I actually was down at the parades where I saw with my own eyes people trading in Mexican flags for American flags. You can assume all you want that I wasn't there without any facts. You seem to assume a lot. You were down here in Phoenix for all the marches and didn't see any of that. I guess you must be blind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    Because most of the problems caused by the illegal behavior are due to it being illegal, if you make it legal the problems go away.
    Wrong, the problems are NOT just illegal status. They are overcrowded schools, prisons, emergency rooms, uninsured motorists, gangs, etc. all of which are made far far worse by those who are here illegally. Changing their alienship status will not make those problems "go away". Rather they will make them even worse.

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    Let me ask you a guys a question. Why is it hateful and/or racist to oppose illegal immigration. I support immigration and believe we need to fix our system as I stated in earlier posts.

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