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Thread: How long till we see lines at the pump or oil prices at $200 per barrel?

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    What did those people ever do to you?? Why are you letting yourself get so worked up over other people's problems? BTW, I haven't heard ANY person with a gas guzzler that I know complain about prices. They all seem to think that if they want lower fuel bills, they should drive something more efficient.

    No one is saying that there aren't alternatives to gas guzzlers, but I just don't see the point of wishing hard times on other people. I think life is too short to wish bad things on other people and I have too many things of my own to worry about than someone else's personal choices. I simply don't see the need to be personally offended about something that has nothing to do with me.

    Some people like to stick their noses into other people's business and some don't. But, a very common theme we see running through the left-leaning threads on this board is that the left-leaners chastise the right-leaners for being cold-hearted, then the left-leaners wish some level of harm or discomfort on those who disagree with them. The right-leaners advocate helping others whenever possible, but not by government mandate. They have not wished harm on ANYONE in any of the threads on this board. The right-leaners also hold everyone in equal regard. The left-leaners discriminate based on race, immigrant status, and wealth.

  2. #47

    Default Re: How long till we see lines at the pump or oil prices at $200 per barrel?

    Quote Originally Posted by skipster View Post
    What did those people ever do to you?? Why are you letting yourself get so worked up over other people's problems? BTW, I haven't heard ANY person with a gas guzzler that I know complain about prices. They all seem to think that if they want lower fuel bills, they should drive something more efficient.

    No one is saying that there aren't alternatives to gas guzzlers, but I just don't see the point of wishing hard times on other people. I think life is too short to wish bad things on other people and I have too many things of my own to worry about than someone else's personal choices. I simply don't see the need to be personally offended about something that has nothing to do with me.

    Some people like to stick their noses into other people's business and some don't. But, a very common theme we see running through the left-leaning threads on this board is that the left-leaners chastise the right-leaners for being cold-hearted, then the left-leaners wish some level of harm or discomfort on those who disagree with them. The right-leaners advocate helping others whenever possible, but not by government mandate. They have not wished harm on ANYONE in any of the threads on this board. The right-leaners also hold everyone in equal regard. The left-leaners discriminate based on race, immigrant status, and wealth.
    I'm not "worked up." This is a discussion board, if no one presented their opinions then it wouldn't be a very interesting one, would it? If you think that only "left-leaning" posters are harsh, you either are choosing to ignore the "right-leaning" ones or being disingenuous.
    Anyway, if people don't mind paying out of their noses for the right to drive their tanks, that is their business; I certainly can't stop them. That doesn't stop me from thinking it's a stupid idea, though.

  3. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpv View Post
    I'm not "worked up." This is a discussion board, if no one presented their opinions then it wouldn't be a very interesting one, would it? If you think that only "left-leaning" posters are harsh, you either are choosing to ignore the "right-leaning" ones or being disingenuous.
    Anyway, if people don't mind paying out of their noses for the right to drive their tanks, that is their business; I certainly can't stop them. That doesn't stop me from thinking it's a stupid idea, though.
    P.S. If you don't think that the state of the environment, or funding those countries from which many terrorists hail affects you, then I think you're living in a bubble.

  4. #49

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    The exact place they are talking about drilling would only entail about 6-city blocks, IOWs -- miniscule. Specifically, this place is not a pristine wildlife preserve, in fact -- there is nothing there. The surface of the moon has more appeal and probably more life. Just barely exaggerating. People have this mistaken vision that one company is going to completely obliterate the landscape of 1/3 of Alaska. That is just not true at all.

    Also, the 1970s gas & oil crisis was caused by a 4% loss of supply from the Saudis. Gas & oil went through the roof in a dramatic fashion similar to what we are seeing today. We had gas lines and shortages all over the place. What we are seeing today has taken place since 1999, the bulk of which has occurred since the summer of 2005. If 1,000,000 barrels can be added to the current supply, that would represent about a 5% increase in the U.S. That could literally spook the commodities markets, the speculators, the traders, and the snot-nosed hedgers that I pox I everyday in my prayers, etc. Anwar is one small step that needs to be taken. Bakken dwarfs Anwar and people are screaming for Bakken to be tapped into.

    Finally -- as a guy that leans towards the right, I don't trust Bush to answer anything right now. Bush gave us the most fiscally reckless Medicare Part D program that will likely add 9-trillion of future unfunded liabilities to the 52-trillion that will we already have in the current welfare state. I say phooey to the 2-cent estimate. When we're seeing wholesale moves of 5% in a single day for a storm 1,500 miles out in the ocean -- we got big problems. We have a very delicate & fussy supply issue right now, so adding to the supply will definitely help. Yes, we need to conserve and be smart with vehicle purchases, but we can't Prius ourselves out of this for the long term.




    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post
    Flogging Sully - "How much of that 16 billion barrels can be extracted a day (I heard a report today that about 1 million barrels or ~5% of the oil the US uses), and how much would that decrease prices on the world market? I'd guess not much."

    To answer the last question. Bush's own economists have concluded that by the time they're able extract the oil (15-20 years is the estimate) to full capacity of 1 million per day, the effect on the cost of a gallon of gas would be somewhere between 1 and 2 cents per gallon. Not exactly worth the risk to wildlife and the environment.
    Last edited by Cyclone85; 05-09-2008 at 10:14 AM.

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    Exactly. In fly-over country where I live, people frequently work quite a ways from where they work. I live 16-miles away (with 2 or 3 nasty 8% grades) which would be killer going up. I too would consider a cycle if it gets bad enough, though my Corolla and Accord are serving me just fine now.

    People that are firmly in the middle, middle-upper, and upper can make adjustments. The people in the lower and lower-middle are screwed with these incredible energy costs.

    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    You are assuming people work near where they live. I'm a mere 12 miles away from the office and no way am I biking there. I'll consider a motorcycle though.

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