America's still the best

Tight-Waist · 05-13-2008, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by FloggingSully

I'm sure most people who live here would agree with you, but most people who live in other developed countries would argue that their countries are the best places to live.

I understand that, but I believe there is a very telling and objective criteria upon which to base a comparison. I challenge you to find one that even comes close in number of people wanting to get in.

Zapp Brannigan · 05-13-2008, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by FloggingSully

I think people from UNdeveloped countries tend to try to go to the developed countries that are close by, sure people from Mexico, Haiti, Cuba, etc are trying to get to the US, but people from other parts of the world are trying to get to countries closer to where they live.

Again, the "best" place to live is dependent on the individual. Most people who live in the US would say that the US is the best place to live, but if you asked people in Japan, Australia, or most of western Europe they would probably say where they live is the best. Are they all wrong? or can there be a different "best" place to live for everyone?

I see what you're saying, and I agree in a sense. ON an individual basis, there are "different best places to live", but that's like saying "there's a 'best candidate' for everyone." That's nice, but when the majority of immigrants from undeveloped countries are moving to one place, it tells you where the majority of people think is the best place to live.

sgallan · 05-13-2008, 12:19 PM

You just want a country that will give you something without you earning it. Quit BSing and get to work.

Just giving my take on it. Apparently that annoys you.

sgallan · 05-13-2008, 12:23 PM

I don't agree with your 'negatives'. People get locked up because some of them murder, some steal, some molest, and some deal drugs. I don't agree that we 'throw away the key'. In fact, the exact opposite is true. We have some pretty liberal sentencing laws when people who commit 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, etc. can get out in less than 12-years. A goodly number of the criminals let out strike again which verifies the lean sentences we have.

I also don't agree that we are a 'harsh and brutish' nation with regard to minorities and those without.

That is all very nice spin. Given that nice spin...... why do you think we have the highest incarceration rate in the world..... by far?

sgallan · 05-13-2008, 12:25 PM

Yeah it really sucks here. You should go to one of those better places to live.

If I could financially pull it off I would move to Canada in a heartbeat. Australia would be cool too but there isn't much wrestling going on there.

sgallan · 05-13-2008, 12:29 PM

1. Many of the left-leaning think tanks count illegal aliens in the uninsured number.

And of course we all know illegal aliens are sub-human and deserve to die.

2. 40% of the uninsured are eligible for government assistance but *DON'T* sign up for whatever reason. (I'm not 100% on the 40% figure, but I'll get it later). Whatever it was, it's a large percentage.

3. 30% of the uninsured were only without coverage for 3 to 4-months. They might have been in between jobs for several months, and then got a new job with health benefits.

4. 30% of the uninsured had family incomes exceeding $85,000 but simply chose not to have coverage. Maybe they wanted that SUV worse than the health premium? Sucks to be them.

I'll need some hard number references for this please.

Even 9-12 million would be high. But then again I really don't care either - I was just giving my opinion on society. If they die then they die. Everybody dies eventually anyway so it's no big deal to me unless I happen to know them. Even then I get over it pretty fast.

Zapp Brannigan · 05-13-2008, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by sgallan

Yeah it really sucks here. You should go to one of those better places to live.

If I could financially pull it off I would move to Canada in a heartbeat. Australia would be cool too but there isn't much wrestling going on there.

What most people mean is that they couldn't "comfortably" pull it off. You could sell your house, make the move, etc., but it involves a lot of risk. How do you mean that you can't financially pull it off?

sgallan · 05-13-2008, 12:36 PM

What most people mean is that they couldn't "comfortably" pull it off. You could sell your house, make the move, etc., but it involves a lot of risk. How do you mean that you can't financially pull it off?

I looked into it, you have to have a certain amount of money upfront to move there, and I'd need a job as well. I don't have that money, nor the job, and am a single dad. So financially I can't pull it off. Maybe after the kid is raised I will revisit it.

Zapp Brannigan · 05-13-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by sgallan

I looked into it, you have to have a certain amount of money upfront to move there, and I'd need a job as well. I don't have that money, nor the job, and am a single dad. So financially I can't pull it off. Maybe after the kid is raised I will revisit it.

Interesting. Learn something new every day, I guess.

matclone · 05-13-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone85

Finally, the 40-million uninsured figure has been debunked a thousand times, however, the drive-by media won't reveal the truth. In fact -- drive-by is now quoting 50-million and sometimes 60-million being uninsured. This is absolute nonsense. I have the figures @ work, but here's the bottom-line on the uninsured:

Is that right? Glad to know you hold the truth.

Here's what the CDC says: 42 million uninsured:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus07.pdf#fig30

Even if we were to accept your claim of 9-12 million, that's 9-12 million too many for me.

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