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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    "Racist" may not be the correct term, but using the word the word that I prefer-and the one you are likely referring to-prejudice, that would make you unusual.

    I've worked with race issues for quite a few years now and I'm not sure that I've ever met anyone that does not have some type of racial prejudice. The trick is coming to recognize what it is and where it lies.

    As for the "reverse racism," it's difficult for minority groups' "racism" to have much of an impact. This is because there isn't hundreds of years of history behind it that institutionally backed it and reinforced it. In addition, nor is there a power structure in society comprised of minorities that can keep it going. CEO's, politicians, local leaders, the courts, the police, etc, etc are still white males, and they can see to it that "minority racism" doesn't go very far.
    I couldn't disagree more strongly. Reverse racism is every bit as bad and does indeed have a strong impact in race relations.

    As a personal example...

    When my oldest son was about 6 years old our baby sitter had taken him to a park to play. At the time we lived in a very diverse community near the University of Minnesota. My son had friends of all races and ethnic backgrounds and combinations that anyone could imagine.

    While at this park my son was playing with a another boy and they were having a great time playing. The other boy's older sister saw the two boys playing together, came over and punched my son and told my son "Stay away from my brother you white f******!" This girl then went on to scream at her brother for playing with a "white" kid.

    It had never occurred to my son that a person's skin color would make a difference. When I came home from work he asked me why the event at the park had happened. I had a hard time getting across to him that sometimes other people may not like you just because of your skin color.

    The event did make my son a more aware that racial biases exist but I think it even further reenforced his belief that they should not matter. My oldest son is in his early 20's and is married to a beautiful woman (with a PhD!) from China.

    Throughout my oldest son's years in the K-12 school system as a "white" student he was in the minority in his classroom. I cannot tell you how many times he was the subject of racial slurs and bias by other "non-white" students. There were many times in school that special programs and opportunities for extra education or special training were available but he was not allowed to sign up for them because he was a "white" student.

    So it has been my experience that "reverse racism" is every bit as harsh as any other form of racism and it is also a part of the "power structure".

    My sons and I are also part Native American. Because our "amount" of Native American is under many of the "legal" definitions of Native American are we are not considered to be Native Americans. There is not another race that is required to have a certain amount to be considered bi-racial. So again my sons and I face racial discrimination.

    Racial discrimination from any race against another is wrong- no excuses!

    As a side note- In Minnesota Obama won by a large margin in this mostly "white" state and he received my so called "white vote" too!
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    Ban B-Ball,
    Would you concede that minority racism causes resentment in white males which leads to more racism?

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    Would you concede that minority racism causes resentment in white males which leads to more racism?

    Probably. My dividing line for racism comes when people use this sort of division for political purposes. Those are the people that are either ammoral (politicians lusting for power), or racist (those people who buy into their lust for power using race). It is why I suggested that Flop has racist side to him.... he bought into the race thing - as it was being practiced by ammoral politicians - hook line and sinker. They played his "angry white male" mentality to a tee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    Ban B-Ball,
    Would you concede that minority racism causes resentment in white males which leads to more racism?
    Well, let's cut to the chase. Obviously, you harbor "some feelings." How many times have you or friends that you've known been a victim of this "reverse racism?" I'm 43 and I can't ever recall being a victim of it.

    Now, how many minority 43 year olds could say the same thing?

    It's ok to oppose racism; I've committed my life to it. I can only speak for "my own kind" (white people) and what we can do to change our world. I'll leave the finger pointing at others to themselves to figure out.
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    It's ok to oppose racism; I've committed my life to it. I can only speak for "my own kind" (white people) and what we can do to change our world. I'll leave the finger pointing at others to themselves to figure out.

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    It is why I suggested that Flop has racist side to him.... he bought into the race thing - as it was being practiced by ammoral politicians - hook line and sinker. They played his "angry white male" mentality to a tee.

    Don't let facts get in the way of your argument, just keep "suggesting" that I have a racist side because I think Wright is a racist hater.

    I'm not clear on what I "bought into". I've only commented on what Wright said previously. I was accused of taking things out of context, because I hadn't listened to an entire sermon by the Rev. Recently, Wright confirmed his beliefs in front of the media. Nothing was taken out of context. And now I'm the one who was taken for a sucker?

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    The reverse racism charge is a strawman, designed to appeal to the prejudices of the white man--translating into some notion that it's somehow unfair that we talk about racism and its history in this country.

    Ban and sgallan both mentioned a key component of racism--or at least the part that makes it wrong: power. Those who decry "reverse racism" ignore this component. Calling someone a name, alone, doesn't constitute racism. It depends on whether that name calling serves to exert some power over you because of your race. "Sticks and stones..."

    We know from American history, that certain people have suffered a multitude of harms, based in part on race, including but not limited to:
    Loss of job
    Exclusions from jobs
    Physical violence, sometimes fatal
    Legal breaking up of families
    Forced migration

    Notably, white people have been largely immune from these harms (the only exception being new immigrants).

    I'm sure we all agree with Ground & Pound's aspirational goal of a color-blind society. But we aren't there yet. Speaking of the Penn. vote: I saw or heard someone say that those who who admitted they voted "based on race" (13%) were the older crowd, and not the younger voters. That is a good sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    It is why I suggested that Flop has racist side to him.... he bought into the race thing - as it was being practiced by ammoral politicians - hook line and sinker. They played his "angry white male" mentality to a tee.

    Don't let facts get in the way of your argument, just keep "suggesting" that I have a racist side because I think Wright is a racist hater.

    I'm not clear on what I "bought into". I've only commented on what Wright said previously. I was accused of taking things out of context, because I hadn't listened to an entire sermon by the Rev. Recently, Wright confirmed his beliefs in front of the media. Nothing was taken out of context. And now I'm the one who was taken for a sucker?
    With respect to this particular issue, you're always long on conclusions and short on arguments.

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    "I think Wright is a racist hater"

    I think Wright would agree with you that he hates racists.
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