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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    I said a while back that some high-ranking members of the administration may someday be doing the frog walk because of this. It doesn't matter if you're a liberal, a libertarian, a conservative, or whatever -- torture should sicken you. The point of torture is not to extract good information. The point of torture is torture.
    I will agree to a point. Torture should not be entered into excpet under dire national emergency, only with approval of the President and a Federal judge.


    As to you assertion that the point of torture is torture, that is not necessarily true. In fact the government got quite a bit of info out of Kalid Sheik Mohammad after only about 5 minutes of waterboarding.

    Now what the N. Vietnamese did to US POWs was in fact torture for the sake of torture. And depeding on how one defines torture some of those frat house stunts done at Gitmo were definately gratutious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tight-Waist View Post
    I will agree to a point. Torture should not be entered into excpet under dire national emergency, only with approval of the President and a Federal judge.


    As to you assertion that the point of torture is torture, that is not necessarily true. In fact the government got quite a bit of info out of Kalid Sheik Mohammad after only about 5 minutes of waterboarding.

    Now what the N. Vietnamese did to US POWs was in fact torture for the sake of torture. And depeding on how one defines torture some of those frat house stunts done at Gitmo were definately gratutious.
    Yes, there may be certain situations where information can be extracted more quickly, but the accuracy of intel gained via torture is always questionable. KSM would say anything (true, false, or anywhere in between) to make them stop water boarding. You can get people to admit anything under torture.

    Regarding Gitmo - I agree that some of the stuff we saw in photos was demeaning, and I wouldn't consider it torture. On the other hand, we tortured quite a few detainees to death at Gitmo. We had a bunch of kids who weren't trained in the art of interrogation beating the hell out of Iraqis they picked up on the street. Beating them to death. I've read articles where I've had to stop reading in the middle because of how pissed off/sad/sick it made me. It's completely un-American to treat detainees as we've treated many of them.

    Another thing we've done is extraordinary rendition. We've sent detainees to other countries where they have no qualms about torture. How is that morally defensible? We don't want to do it, so we turn them over to a country who will.

    We don't (and didn't) need to do this stuff. It's vile, inhuman, and un-American. I'm all for killing the enemy in mass quantities, bombing the hell out of them when necessary, but torture is far beyond the pale.

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    "Frat house stunts," as in putting broom handles up people's rectums? Wiring their genitals and shocking them? Having dogs bite them? Smearing them in feces?

    I would then have to assume that this would be ok for your own child to be a "victim" of during a frat initiation, then, correct?
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    On the other hand, we tortured quite a few detainees to death at Gitmo. Do you have an unbiased source for this? We had a bunch of kids who weren't trained in the art of interrogation beating the hell out of Iraqis they picked up on the street. Beating them to death.Or this? I've read articles where I've had to stop reading in the middle because of how pissed off/sad/sick it made me. Granted, some of what went on in Gitmo went beyond "Frat House" stuff and they have been punished. And I agree they should be. But none of that follows the criteria that spelled out above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    "Frat house stunts," as in putting broom handles up people's rectums? Wiring their genitals and shocking them? Having dogs bite them? Smearing them in feces?

    I would then have to assume that this would be ok for your own child to be a "victim" of during a frat initiation, then, correct?
    If what you say happened, then I uncategorically condemn it.

    I will also say that what you describe there is NOT what I and Dershowitz would allow. Both he and I are in agreement that IF the above criteria (ie Executive Order based on national emergency and sanctioned by a federal judge) would NOT include electric shock or anything damaging to their physical body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tight-Waist View Post
    On the other hand, we tortured quite a few detainees to death at Gitmo. Do you have an unbiased source for this? We had a bunch of kids who weren't trained in the art of interrogation beating the hell out of Iraqis they picked up on the street. Beating them to death.Or this? I've read articles where I've had to stop reading in the middle because of how pissed off/sad/sick it made me. Granted, some of what went on in Gitmo went beyond "Frat House" stuff and they have been punished. And I agree they should be. But none of that follows the criteria that spelled out above.
    TW, I think you're being willfully blind to this issue. Just google, and pick whatever source you believe to be unbiased.

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