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    It seems prayer still upsets some people. Please read....


    When Minister Joe Wright was asked to open the new session of the
    Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting the usual generalities, but
    this is what they heard;



    "Heavenly Father,

    We come before you today
    To ask your forgiveness and
    To seek your direction and guidance.


    We know Your Word says,
    "Woe to those who call evil good"
    But that is exactly what we have done.
    We have lost our spiritual equilibrium
    And reversed our values.


    We have exploited the poor and
    Called it the lottery.


    We have rewarded laziness
    And called it welfare.


    We have killed our unborn
    and called it choice.


    We have shot abortionists< BR>And called it justifiable.


    We have neglected to discipline
    Our children and called it
    Building self esteem.


    We have abused power
    And called it politics.


    We have coveted our neighbor's
    Possessions and called it ambition.


    We have polluted the air
    With profanity and
    Pornography and called it
    Freedom of speech and expression.


    We have ridiculed the time
    Honored values of our
    Forefathers and call ed it enlightenment.


    Search us, Oh, God,
    And know our hearts today;
    Cleanse us from every sin
    And set us free.

    Amen!"



    The response was immediate. A number of legislators walked out
    during the prayer in protest.


    In 6 short weeks, Central Christian Church, where Rev. Wright is
    pastor, logged more than 5,000 phone calls with only 47 Of those
    calls responding negatively. The church is now receivin g international
    requests for copies of this prayer from India , Africa and Korea .


    Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on his radio Program, "The
    Rest of the Story," and received a larger response to this program
    than any
    other he has ever aired.



    With the Lord's help, may this prayer sweep over our Nation and
    wholeheartedly become our desire so that we again can be called "one
    nation under God."


    If possible, please pass this prayer on to your friends
    "If you
    don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."


    Think about this:
    If you forward this prayer to everyone on your
    email list, in less than 30 days it would be heard by the world.

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    Are you sure this is real? Other than giving a name and an event, it's got all the markings of what we call urban legends, so popular on the internet these days--a singular point of view, appealing to emotion rather than reason, and exhortations to "pass it on". In short, us v. them, and how unfair of "them" to be different than me.

    Assuming it is true, it was a political statement and that's probably why people were upset.

    What's particularly offensive to me about this sort of statement is its presumption that the speaker holds the truth, and that anyone who doesn't hold the same "truth" is somehow flawed.
    Last edited by matclone; 04-17-2008 at 12:24 PM.

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    I call BS. What were they expecting if they brought a Minister in? Ministers usually talk about their god.

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    Found at http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...joe_wright.htm

    While not word-for-word accurate, this is a fair transcription of an actual prayer delivered before the Kansas House of Representatives by Central Christian Church Pastor Joe Wright on January 23, 1996. It has circulated continuously on the Internet ever since.

    At least one legislator did walk during the prayer, according to the Kansas City Star. Others made speeches criticizing what the House Minority Leader, a Democrat, called "the extreme, radical views" reflected in the prayer. It was aired nationally on the radio in February 1996 by Paul Harvey.


    There is no presumption that the speaker holds the absolute truth. If one disagrees with the speaker, he will disregard the comments as being rubbish and will not be offended. Those who are offended are the ones who do what the speaker condemns and are not comfortable with their own actions, implying they think their own actions are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    I call BS. What were they expecting if they brought a Minister in? Ministers usually talk about their god.
    Like I said, it was a political statement. He didn't limit it to talking about God. He didn't just say God protect us, guide us, and show us wisdom. No, he, made specific political claims. Abortion is wrong. Welfare is wrong, etc. etc.
    Last edited by matclone; 04-17-2008 at 11:16 AM.

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    Snopes.com says the "prayer" occurred, although not entirely the same as above, but only one legislator walked out and all this occurred about 12 years ago.

    http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/wright.asp

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    I wasn't aware that the clergy had to clear their prayer topics through matclone before they gave invocations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Snopes.com says the "prayer" is accurate but only one person walked out and all this occurred about 12 years ago.

    http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/wright.asp
    Same thing I posted earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Like I said, it was a political statement. He didn't limit it to talking about God. He didn't just say God protect us, guide us, and show us wisdom. No, he, made specific political claims. Abortion is wrong. Welfare is wrong, etc. etc.
    I'd expect that if you give a minister the podium in front of a state senate, then you can expect to hear about god and politics.

    If you hire Dan Gable to give a motivational speech to John Deere, wouldn't you think he'd talk a bit about wrestling and farm equipment?

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