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    Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two years, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice, but would be required to leave for a year in between each time.

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    I can't tell if there's a separate path to citizenship and guest worker program or not. I agree the guest worker program is not unlike serfdom.

    The going back every two years and waiting a year sounds stupid and difficult, but it's a compromise. And the compromise they've proposed has to be better than what we have now.

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    Default Re: We will have our own serf-like workers

    They will be looked upon by Americans as a second class humans.

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    The guest worker program reminds me of Apartheid. With the right documents, the people from Soweto (Mexico) can work for us, but they can never be our equals.

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    Default Re: We will have our own serf-like workers

    Quote Originally Posted by phillywrestler View Post
    The guest worker program reminds me of Apartheid. With the right documents, the people from Soweto (Mexico) can work for us, but they can never be our equals.
    "Equals" is a bit of a vague terms. If you mean "equals" in terms of citizenship, then you are mistaken. There is a path for existing illegals to become US citizens as well, those entering legally in the future.

    However, I do not see how this will stem the flow of illegals from entering the country, be they from Mexico, Poland, or India. if this passes expect a tidal wave of illegal immigration trying to enter just to take advantage of the law.

    Also, I disagree with sending the head of household home, that will likely put the remainder of the family on welfare and create an added burden for the rest of us.

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    Default Re: We will have our own serf-like workers

    I know just what he means by equals. Two people working side by side, one has the full protection of our laws, the other is accorded some lesser status--and this could manifest itself in a multitude of ways. Separate lunch facilities, anyone? One thing I'm real concerned about is the labor laws (e.g. safety, 40 hour week, WComp etc). Would guest workers be protected under these?

    I don't understand how this propose law itself would encourage more people to come here illegally. What advantage? Those who do so, try to enter by legal means. The undocumented population we have now exists mostly because they have no meaningful way to get legal status. This 8-13 year path to citizenship with a big fine up front and fees at the back doesnt' seem like it would appeal to anyone except those who have the really long waits (e.g. Mexico and Phillipines).

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    Two people working side by side, one has the full protection of our laws, the other is accorded some lesser status--and this could manifest itself in a multitude of ways.

    I will go further. The American way is to work from the bottom up. Imagine these guest workers that work for 2 years knowing no matter what they do they cannot improve their situation.

    Imagine a gas station attendant whose only allowed profession is to be a gas station attendant while the rest can do other things and move up.

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    Excellent point, Big. Across our nation we have huge school drop out rates (shh, don't tell CNN, Fox, et al). In Colorado as well as many other states, undocumented kids are denied in-state tuition no matter if they lived here most of their lives--in effect keeping them from going to college. Well, they realize this before the 12th grade, and some drop out because they don't see a future in continuing school. Remember that slogan: a mind is a terrible thing to waste? And this applies to workers as well. The dream of betterment is what motivates many of us to be more productive (with our without a woman behind us) and in this way we strengthen society.

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    matclone,

    Illegal immigrants will still come and here is why. I am sure many jobs that illegals do are done secretively and for cash if not illegally. Legal guest workers will not be able to do those jobs. Who will do them? Illegals will do them, those that have not been approved to come as legals for one reason or another or maybe illegal cash jobs will be more appealing to them in some way. Like they will not have to go back after 2 years for example, no taxes to pay and so on.

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