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    I mentioned in another thread Brokaw's comment that we talk about race in code. You used (if unintentionally) the magic code phrase "blaming others" that white people often use when talking about black people.

    Damn, they should publish that code book so we can all be more careful. I tell my daughter (who is white!) that she shouldn't blame others. Those used to be words to live by, but now they are code words. I'm going to have to tell her stop saying that. Might be accused of racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    I mentioned in another thread Brokaw's comment that we talk about race in code. You used (if unintentionally) the magic code phrase "blaming others" that white people often use when talking about black people.

    Damn, they should publish that code book so we can all be more careful. I tell my daughter (who is white!) that she shouldn't blame others. Those used to be words to live by, but now they are code words. I'm going to have to tell her stop saying that. Might be accused of racism.
    Wow me to!!! I didn't know those were code words. I just posted in another forum, on how some shrinks can get some people to believe that the blame isn't with them, it's on their parents, or whoever.

    I still say take personal responsibility for your actions, and quit blaming others. I don't care if you're pink with brown polka dots, it applies to you as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgallan View Post
    I just think we should lock up those we don't like, or can't make it in a capitalist society. The good ones will make good use of their time, I will have a full teaching schedule, and the bad ones are locked up.

    Oh, and if any of their family members breed..... abortions for all. We don't want to perpetuate the cycle.

    No this wasn't said for shock value..... it is my growing nihilism. It is pragmatic, and if it doesn't happen that way..... it doesn't matter unless it hurts me. If it does hurt me directly then I will go after those who hurt me directly and take them out. If i get killed or hurt or incarcerated..... no biggee.... stuff happens.

    I like this dog eat dog or get eaten type philosophy..... it is easy and not real complicated. I am a convert. but if I decide you are prey..... I don;t really care about rules either.... they are just constraints that only mean something if you care about them.
    Why do you always bring up some way-out-there, off-the-wall thing about locking everybody up and about people who "can't make it"? In comnversations about chicken recipes, you still talk about how jail is unfair. Do you htink that saying that bothers the rest of us? It does only such that we tire of reading the same irrelevant stuff all the time. Because the sarcasm in your post is SOOOOO far removed from reality, it means nothing to the rest of us.

    Relevance is your friend.

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    Doesn't bother me either...... it's called job security.
    I am 49, bald, ugly, and don't own a single cool thing. Kids like me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
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    Damn, they should publish that code book so we can all be more careful. I tell my daughter (who is white!) that she shouldn't blame others. Those used to be words to live by, but now they are code words. I'm going to have to tell her stop saying that. Might be accused of racism.
    Context, including intent, matters. Those who whimper about being called a racist (as if the problem of racism were all about them), typically and disingenuously eliminate context when they offer counter examples.
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    Getting back to Obama's original thoughts: there's a lot of crappy parents out there. My wife and I both teach and we say it to each other all the time: "what the hell are this kid's parents doing?"

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    Do you have any thoughts on why they are not doing a good job of parenting?

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    Lots of thoughts but no clear answer...

    I think a lot of parents pass on their own mistakes to their kids. I work with at-risk kids, many of whom have been taken from their parents by social services (so maybe I have too dim a view of parents)... You hear the parent visit the kid and all they do is swear and blame their ex for all their troubles, and of course that's what the kid learns to do. Seems that a lot of people who are in no way ready to have kids- do. Vicious cyle.

    My wife works at a private school (kinda the other end of the spectrum) and she complains that many kids don't provide structure at home at all. Allow the kids to be rude and disrespectful of rules and adults. It seems many parents expect the teachers to do the job of teaching morality, manners and good habits instead of instilling those values in the kids themselves. Hands-off parenting, I guess.
    The kids in my school that have caring parents often went astray because the parents are unwilling to have strict rules, curfews, etc. Unwilling (in my view) to do the job of being a parent.

    Of course it isn't always the parent's fault either. My parents were great and I did stupid stuff when I was a kid too.

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    Let's face it: taking personal responsibility fails all around us and has been for many years.

    All sides are doing it, but I think a reasonable argument can be made to say that it eminates (sp?) from the highest level of our society and filters its way on down to all of us.

    1. A politician does something crooked, irresponsible, illegal, or what have you.
    2. The traveling partisan chorus for that person begins the campaign of "Bill Clinton did it too;" or "What about Foley?" and suddenly the whole issue gets convoluted. Who really was worse? The person under scrutiny now or the person that our chorus points fingers at?
    3. We, then, as partisans also (and also part of the traveling chorus of defenders) fall forit in lockstep and refuse to place responsibility on our politicians of our own parties.
    4. We all see this, and as a result, we have come to see blaming others as legitimate. If our political system does it and justifies it, why not, in a democracy, can't we do it also.
    Sorry, folks, but the answer lies with all of us. As long as we excuse our politicians, it shouldn't be any wonder that people will excuse their own actions also. We need to start calling crooked and wrong wrong when these people do it and not be afraid of the condemnation of the chorus for doing so. Until then, the lack of personal responsibility will go merrily along.
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