Another Break Down for Clinton

RYou · 04-07-2008, 08:18 AM

Clinton's chief strategist steps aside
Penn caused furor by pushing Colombia trade deal, which Clinton opposes

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23985294/

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that Penn, who serves as chief executive of public relations giant Burson-Marsteller, met with Colombian officials March 31 to help craft strategy to move the Colombian free trade agreement through Congress. Penn later issued a statement apologizing for the meeting, calling it an “error in judgment.”

According to Justice Department filings, Colombia agreed last year to pay Burson-Marsteller $300,000 to help “educate members of the U.S. Congress and other audiences” about the trade deal and secure continued U.S. funding for the $5 billion anti-narcotics program Plan Colombia.

Sounds to me like someone got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

ctc · 04-08-2008, 09:17 AM

She is even better at self emploding than Obama. This election is the democrats to lose and they are for sure trying their darnest to live up to that.

~~slayer~~ · 04-08-2008, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by ctc

She is even better at self emploding than Obama. This election is the democrats to lose and they are for sure trying their darnest to live up to that.

They are not trying to lose my friend. You are buying into the punditocracy either by TV types or politicians.

Just like you will vote for McCain, Clinton supporters will vote for Obama.

ban basketball · 04-08-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by slayer

They are not trying to lose my friend. You are buying into the punditocracy either by TV types or politicians.

Just like you will vote for McCain, Clinton supporters will vote for Obama.

Nah! The GOP votes principle.

I recall how many of us democrats (speaking for myself) were ridiculed by hate radio and their traveling chorus for holding to the principle of "Anyone but Bush in 2004" and that we didn't care who was elected, as long as it wasn't Bush.

Looks like the chickens have come home to roost!

ctc · 04-08-2008, 04:38 PM

Looks like the chickens have come home to roost! - ban

Are you a retarded black preacher?

therick · 04-08-2008, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by RYou

Clinton's chief strategist steps aside
Penn caused furor by pushing Colombia trade deal, which Clinton opposes

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23985294/

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that Penn, who serves as chief executive of public relations giant Burson-Marsteller, met with Colombian officials March 31 to help craft strategy to move the Colombian free trade agreement through Congress. Penn later issued a statement apologizing for the meeting, calling it an “error in judgment.”

According to Justice Department filings, Colombia agreed last year to pay Burson-Marsteller $300,000 to help “educate members of the U.S. Congress and other audiences” about the trade deal and secure continued U.S. funding for the $5 billion anti-narcotics program Plan Colombia.

Sounds to me like someone got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

It would be a little less concerning to me if this was the only conflict of interest that this guy had. The fact is that he has actively sought business deals with many companies that are at odds with Clinton campaign rhetoric. Companies such as Royal Dutch Shell, U.S. Tuna Foundation (which has lobbied the EPA to downplay the increased levels of mercury in fish, while Clinton has publicly lambasted the EPA for doing the same), TXU, corp. (which builds coal-fired power plants), tobacco giant Altria Group, inc., and drug manufacturers Merck and Pfizer, etc.

All of this leads me to question how much of what she is saying on the campaign trail is pure lies simply to get elected. While behind closed doors she and her chief campaign stratagist (who was still a part of a major conference call about campaign strategy days after his resignation) have been in bed with the very corporations and industries that she claims to be fighting.

The whole thing is so dirty, it makes me wonder why no one is reporting on it in a meaningful way?

matclone · 04-08-2008, 06:08 PM

What specifically are you calling a "pure lie"? All the candidates get major contributions from big corporations, so it's no secret Clinton or any of the others have or may support some of their interests. She, for one, has a history of doing so (her vote for the bankruptcy bill comes to mind). That doesn't mean her campaign rhetoric in toto is a lie. These aren't necessary black and white issues. Also, I'm not sure why you attribute her aide's supposed misdeeds to her.

therick · 04-08-2008, 06:29 PM

In my opinion, if any portion of a statement is a lie, then the entire statement is invalid. I didn't say that anything was a lie. I asked the question, "how much of what she is saying on the campaign trail is pure lies..." Please, don't change what I said or take what I said out of context in order to help your argument. I don't know what's true and what isn't, but when confronted with her multiple other lies and then this conflict of interest, it makes me wonder if she really stands for any of the things she's running on.

I'm am questioning her motives and honesty because it wasn't until the media made a big stink about Penn's deal with Columbia that he resigned. The dealings he's been having with Merck, Pfizer, and the others have been going on for over a year and she did nothing about the conflict of interest.

matclone · 04-08-2008, 06:41 PM

Do you think I would take your statement out of context in order to make a point? I do believe you called her a liar. It's a pretty strong charge.

hardcore · 04-08-2008, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by ctc

Looks like the chickens have come home to roost! - ban

Are you a retarded black preacher?

Are you so blind as not to see that your last post and many others like it posted by yourself and others on themat forums are the reason that so many people here no longer go there? It is offensive, obnoxious, and adds nothing to the discussion at hand.

For the most part this a a civil community and speaking for myself I would like to see it stay that way.

You have the ability to bring something to the table here but please leave the baiting over there.

Another Break Down for Clinton

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