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    To answer the original question... I'd like to think I could last 15 seconds, but honestly, I dunno. Seems pretty awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyFan View Post
    I've commented on this subject before and I'll continue to do so.

    I went through SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape) school in the early 90's. I went through various "enhanced interrogation techniques". I would not define waterboarding and other techniques are "torture", but I do believe the US should not be using these techniques. There are other ways to get informations from enemy combatants without resorting to inhumane techniques.

    That said, anyone who believes we need to "go after Bush and his administration and prosecute them to the full extent" for the memo Obama released last week is foolish. Waterboarding is not a new technique the US learned in 2000 when Bush was elected. Furthermore, there were other "enhanced interrogation techniques" I witnessed/experienced that many would consider worse than waterboarding (although waterboarding scares the shite out of me).
    I am curious on what level does waterboarding not meet your definition of torture?

    I don't think there are that many people who really think it is wise to go after Bush and Obama has declared that he will not do so.
    I do believe official advocaton of torture...err... enhanced interrogation techniques.. was truly awful. I am sure that in certain places and circumstances the US has used such techniques and probalby in many cases it was justifiable, but don't make it official policy.

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    Hey, no blood, no bruise, no harm, right ?
    Life's not the breaths you take, the breathing in and out that gets you through the day ain't what it's all about. It's the moments that take your breath away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    I am curious on what level does waterboarding not meet your definition of torture? quote
    I don't think there are that many people who really think it is wise to go after Bush and Obama has declared that he will not do so.
    He has however talked about going after the lawyers (link). So he's saying that people's who's only real job was to read the constitution and laws write opinions on the legality of these "torture" techniques but he will not prosecute the people that actually put these policies into practice? That doesn't make sense to me. If they are going to go after anyone, they should be going after the people at the top i.e. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld before they go after anyone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    do believe official advocaton of torture...err... enhanced interrogation techniques.. was truly awful. I am sure that in certain places and circumstances the US has used such techniques and probalby in many cases it was justifiable, but don't make it official policy.
    That seems awfully irrational. It seems that you are advocating torture in some instances, but you don't think it should be official policy? This isn't something that people can have both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    He has however talked about going after the lawyers (link). So he's saying that people's who's only real job was to read the constitution and laws write opinions on the legality of these "torture" techniques but he will not prosecute the people that actually put these policies into practice? That doesn't make sense to me. If they are going to go after anyone, they should be going after the people at the top i.e. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld before they go after anyone else.



    That seems awfully irrational. It seems that you are advocating torture in some instances, but you don't think it should be official policy? This isn't something that people can have both ways.
    I hadn't heard about the lawyers. I doubt anyhting will come out of this.

    As far as my stance being irrational...I think the better word is hypocritical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    I hadn't heard about the lawyers. I doubt anyhting will come out of this.

    As far as my stance being irrational...I think the better word is hypocritical.
    agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    agreed
    It is hypocritical in a way, but I agree. There are things that our government (and all others) are going to do out of necessity, but that doesn't mean they should be publicly endorsed. I am sure the CIA does/has done plenty of things that we don't know about and shouldn't. Hopefully, these things are done sparingly and only in dire situations, but who knows. Publicly endorsing it, though, goes against international law, gives people from other countries more reason to hate us/not respect us, and puts our soldiers at increased risk of receiving similar treatment if captured. As someone earlier noted, it isn't like waterboarding was invented by the Bush admin, but it was first endorsed by them. Doing it from time to time, unbeknownst to the world, and giving it the governments seal of approval are two entirely different things, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustyshackleford View Post
    It is hypocritical in a way, but I agree. There are things that our government (and all others) are going to do out of necessity, but that doesn't mean they should be publicly endorsed. I am sure the CIA does/has done plenty of things that we don't know about and shouldn't. Hopefully, these things are done sparingly and only in dire situations, but who knows. Publicly endorsing it, though, goes against international law, gives people from other countries more reason to hate us/not respect us, and puts our soldiers at increased risk of receiving similar treatment if captured. As someone earlier noted, it isn't like waterboarding was invented by the Bush admin, but it was first endorsed by them. Doing it from time to time, unbeknownst to the world, and giving it the governments seal of approval are two entirely different things, IMO.
    I agree with that to an extent but then what happens when word of one of these "secret" interrogations gets out? People and the press find out that some soldier went against "official" policy and used some "advanced interrogation techniques? Should we then prosecute the people that got a wink and a nod from their superiors? Should we prosecute the superiors that gave the wink and nod but officially said these techniques are not allowed? Because you know that there will be people that demand someone is held responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    I agree with that to an extent but then what happens when word of one of these "secret" interrogations gets out? People and the press find out that some soldier went against "official" policy and used some "advanced interrogation techniques? Should we then prosecute the people that got a wink and a nod from their superiors? Should we prosecute the superiors that gave the wink and nod but officially said these techniques are not allowed? Because you know that there will be people that demand someone is held responsible.
    It gets complicated, I agree, but such is life. I don't know a way around that. Hope it stays hush hush, I guess. Endorsing it certainly isn't that answer, IMO. You ever seen A Few Good Men? About pretty close to the situation that you described.

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