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    Here's anothe list that list the top 30 most charitable celebs.

    No Jordan.

    Oprah was #1 on both lists.

    http://www.nba.com/nuggets/community...30_051407.html

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    The way I see it, these lists show MJ has a lot of influence, but doesn't use it in a charitable way.

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    There is a sentence in the beginning where it states that these are "public donations" that they are listing. I'm sure that there are those who give privately and aren't on the list. Is it possible Jordan simply chooses to give w/o any fanfare?

    I wonder why do you feel that he owes anyone anything? Do you now think less of him as a person because he's not a media whore like Oprah and doesn't feel the need to publicize his charitable donations. Don't get me wrong, I applaud Oprah for the work she does and the money she gives. However, I don't think any less of those who choose not to call a press conference or have a show every time they give.

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    What one does publicly or not really has little effect on “inner city” kids. I work with them, and adults 7 days a week except when I have the opportunity to take a rare day off. Could he do more? Yes, we all could, should he do more? I don’t know because like Scott says, he don’t have to do anything.

    Truth is, there are a lot of things inner city kids need, role models that make millions is in my opinion not one of the things they need, in fact, they run the risk of making things worse for inner city kids because they develop false hopes and aspirations that 99% will never realize. Also within that 99% there are false hopes of “things” things like shoes, bling or any other material possession you can think of.

    What kids in the inner cities need is family role models, largely fathers. I am doing 3 jobs now, two are related, I am pastor of an inner city church again, as of this week, and I have The Virtual Pew which also works with inner city troubled individuals. I also am working 3 nights a week now for an program called Youth Horizons that establishes programs for fatherless children. It has been a great experience and reaffirmed my position that a Joe Blow, or Jane Doe that volunteers down at the boys club or girls club, or at the YMCA or Big Brothers Big Sisters Program or any other Mentoring program does more to change the lives of inner city young people than any endorsement than someone like Jordan will ever do. While money is a primary need for many organizations, the primary need is regular folks who will make the commitment with their time to work and help these youth. Believe me, a kid could care less what many corrupt organizations will do with the money that was supposed to go to a particular organization. However, a volunteer who is willing to give a measly 2 hours a week can have a life long, lasting impression.

    I don’t know what Jordan does, although I have seen him do some things. I don’t care so much what Barry Sanders does, although I have seen him do a few things in Wichita. What seems to make a difference to me though, is someone who will take their time and give it directly to a kid. Time with these youth are always more valuable than money, and for that, we can all look in the mirror and ask ourselves what we have given lately.

    As mentioned, I live and work with these kinds of kids on a daily basis, for any who have ever made the effort to get to know me, they know I was one of those kids, in more ways than many realize. I guess I speak from my own needs and experiences from the past as I do from my daily knowledge. I challenge you, each person here, do something with your time to serve this population. If you have money and want to give fine, and while that helps some organizations, it doesn’t have the impact that personal one on one time will have.

    For those wanting to help Kansas wrestlers again this year who have needs, I will again be providing scholarship opportunities through The Virtual Pew, 100% of what is received to Kansas Wrestlers who summer wrestle through an essay contest detailing the benefits of wrestling, who plan to wrestle in Summer events. Hopefully this year, we may have enough come into also host a camp for inner city kids, that all depends not only on the finance, but wrestlers who are willing to contribute. I will say on this last point, we have been pretty blessed to have numerous wrestlers on both a state and national level volunteer for this.

    Enough of my rant, but on this subject, just had to give my two cents, and please understand, not trying to pick on anyone, just stating things the way I see them.
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    I agree in principle with Ground & Pound. As for those who criticize him, see what he actually said (Jordan could do more--not, Jordan must do more) I guess I don't understand why multi-millionaires like Jordan, or Payton Manning to name another in a similar position, shill for shoe cos. or Mastercard. They need more money? More exposure? If the latter, couldn't they be standing up for people instead of products. Just think if one of them would, as Furches just did, exhort us all to volunteer with youth. Whoa! But then we're inching into the political realm and athletes (even retired athletes) are under great pressure to remain a-political. I'm not throwing stones at Jordan for what he's done or the decisions he makes but I think this obsession with things (as someone called it) is a sad comment about our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    I agree in principle with Ground & Pound. As for those who criticize him, see what he actually said (Jordan could do more--not, Jordan must do more) I guess I don't understand why multi-millionaires like Jordan, or Payton Manning to name another in a similar position, shill for shoe cos. or Mastercard. They need more money? More exposure? If the latter, couldn't they be standing up for people instead of products. Just think if one of them would, as Furches just did, exhort us all to volunteer with youth. Whoa! But then we're inching into the political realm and athletes (even retired athletes) are under great pressure to remain a-political. I'm not throwing stones at Jordan for what he's done or the decisions he makes but I think this obsession with things (as someone called it) is a sad comment about our society.
    And to that, I will say amen and exhort!
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    Thanks for the lively and thoughtful discussion.

    Any thread that gets post from both Gallan and Furches is worth reading in my book.

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    Why does the blacks in America only help other blacks.... hypocrisy at its finest.

    Also Michael Jordan has no where near the msot celebrity power in the world. Wrong sport, football stars are the biggest.

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    After delivering a less than classy Hall of Fame induction speech, I'd thought I'd dredge up this thread from a year and a half ago.

    BTW, I still stand by original claim that Jordan doesn't give back enough to the ever so needed segment of American society from which he came and sells shoes.

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    Just thought I'd cast my vote as well. Imo, Jordan gives plenty. I didn't much care for his induction speech, but then again its his legacy that he's working on, not mine. Jordan gave me many a sports thrill and for that he's ok in my book.
    Lets go Brent!

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