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    Default Does the GOP have a serious issue with voter turnout?

    I remember watching the results of the Ohio primary come in and I was struck by the huge difference in total votes between the two primaries.

    I started looking on cnn.com and it looks as though voter turnout for the democratic primary has nearly doubled the voter turnout for the GOP, in almost every state so far. The one that was really amazing to me was California. Over 4.3million people cast votes in the democratic primary, while only 2.5million voted in the republican primary. I know California is a blue state, but that was a much bigger margin than I would have guessed.

    What really was surprising to me were states like Oklahoma(71k), Texas, Illinois(1.1mil), Arkansas(82k), Missouri(200k), and Tennessee(65k) where the total vote count was much higher for the democrats. In some cases so much higher that the Republican winner didn't even get as many votes as the 2nd place finisher for the democrats. Some (California, Conn, Delaware, Mass, Mizzou and NY) the second place finisher in the democratic primary doubled the total votes for the GOP winner.

    Just in case the GOP folks think I'm picking recent contests in which turnout was lower because the race was over for the GOP, let me note that many of those that I listed were on February 5th and 14th. The margins are considerably wider in the recent contests. e.g. Obama got more votes in Texas than were cast total in the GOP primary and nearly as many as the total GOP votes in Ohio.

    All of that is simply to support my premise that the GOP has serious issues in the national election.

    What do you guys think? Is it simply a case of republicans voting in the democratic primary? Have the democratic candidates inspired some former republicans and many independents? or, is it simply a case of people voting for anyone who isn't of the same party as W?

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    I think a lot of it is media hype and the perception of one's vote making a difference. The media has been coverign the democrats MUCH more than the republicans, so people may forget that there is a republican race. Also, after many major players stepped out of the republican race, I think a large number of people decided that they didn't have to vote, since it was a forgone conclusion as to who the winner would be.

    What dumbfounds me is how people still talk abotu the democrats being the party of freedom and equality, when they use superdelegates in their nominating convention (they don't trust the voters to make the right decision) and they quite readily agreed to deny deomcrats in Michigan and Florida the opportunity to help choose their party's presidential candidate.

    If the democrats value freedom and democracy, why couldn't they let the people in Michigan and Florida vote?

    Besides, when it comes to a national election, conservatives are going to vote for conservatives and liberals are goign to vote for liberals. The conservative base will still vote for McCain because he is the most conservative candidate -- neither Clinton or Obama are more conservative.

    Thus, I wouldn't think the republican party is apathetic. I think they just aren't in the news as much and they don't have a close contest to settle.

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    I think a lot of it is media hype and the perception of one's vote making a difference. The media has been coverign the democrats MUCH more than the republicans, so people may forget that there is a republican race. Also, after many major players stepped out of the republican race, I think a large number of people decided that they didn't have to vote, since it was a forgone conclusion as to who the winner would be.

    That would make sense in recent results, but that doesn't explain the results on Super Tuesday (Feb 5th) 200k more voted in the Dem primary than the GOP in Missouri, or how about New Hampshire where 50k more voted in the Dem primary than the GOP? That was way before everyone started dropping out.

    I agree that there's something pathetic about the way the DNC handled Michigan and Florida. The superdelegate thing is pathetic as well. Why in the world are there so many thousands more delegates in democratic party than in the republican? I do like the proportion thing based on congressional district, but that's about it.

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    I do think the GOP has a serious problem on their hands, even though McCain isn't a flawed candidate. McCain is a pretty solid, fairly middle of the road on most issues, so he doesn't scare the moderate voter. Obama is a good orator, and he's mixed-race at a time when the US is in love with the idea of multiculturalism and diversity.

    In my opinion, neither candidate is anything to get excited about, but Bush has energized the democrat base more than any democrat candidate ever could. The D's (and many R's) are just tired of the way Bush (and the GOP) have run the county (and the world) for the past eight years.

    Eight years ago, when Clinton was reaching the end of his term, I said that the US needed a political enema, to wash all the sh#t away. After eight years of Bush, we need to fire up the old enema again.

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    Default Re: Does the GOP have a serious issue with voter turnout?

    Your avatar apparently took your advice (about the enema).

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipster View Post
    I think a lot of it is media hype and the perception of one's vote making a difference. The media has been coverign the democrats MUCH more than the republicans, so people may forget that there is a republican race. Also, after many major players stepped out of the republican race, I think a large number of people decided that they didn't have to vote, since it was a forgone conclusion as to who the winner would be.

    What dumbfounds me is how people still talk abotu the democrats being the party of freedom and equality, when they use superdelegates in their nominating convention (they don't trust the voters to make the right decision) and they quite readily agreed to deny deomcrats in Michigan and Florida the opportunity to help choose their party's presidential candidate.

    If the democrats value freedom and democracy, why couldn't they let the people in Michigan and Florida vote?

    Besides, when it comes to a national election, conservatives are going to vote for conservatives and liberals are goign to vote for liberals. The conservative base will still vote for McCain because he is the most conservative candidate -- neither Clinton or Obama are more conservative.

    Thus, I wouldn't think the republican party is apathetic. I think they just aren't in the news as much and they don't have a close contest to settle.
    Wow, did you check in with Karl Rove before you posted this rhetoric? How uninformed and ignorant can one be?

    You are right about one thing though, and this was always going to be the case; the republicans will 100% support McBush, regardless of what such intellectuals as Limbaugh may opine.

    What you fail to realize, and the media doesn't report it is the amount of republican registered voters has been slowly but surely decreasing, while the opposite is true for the democrats. It's a numbers game and you simply don't have the numbers anymore.

    If the young folks stay involved through the election, it may end up being a blowout; that is of course excepting the dummies in the South who would elect Satan over a democrat.

    BTW, what is a conservative anymore?

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    You are right about one thing though, and this was always going to be the case; the republicans will 100% support McBush

    Don't you think there are large numbers of voters on either side of the aisle that will never vote for the "other side" in a Presidential election? Or are Democrats free-thinkers that don't care about stuff like party affiliation?

    BTW, what is a conservative anymore?

    Same as it always was. Bush was never a conservative, so he hasn't impacted a change on conservative philosphy. Runaway spending, torture, and disregard for personal privacy haven't ever been conservative tenets.

    Bush has certainly harmed the GOP's cause though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slayer View Post
    Wow, did you check in with Karl Rove before you posted this rhetoric? How uninformed and ignorant can one be?

    You are right about one thing though, and this was always going to be the case; the republicans will 100% support McBush, regardless of what such intellectuals as Limbaugh may opine.

    What you fail to realize, and the media doesn't report it is the amount of republican registered voters has been slowly but surely decreasing, while the opposite is true for the democrats. It's a numbers game and you simply don't have the numbers anymore.

    If the young folks stay involved through the election, it may end up being a blowout; that is of course excepting the dummies in the South who would elect Satan over a democrat.

    BTW, what is a conservative anymore?
    I wasn't aware that current voter registration even let you designate a party affiliation. In the last 9 years, I have lived in 4 states, so I have gotten to register to vote in those states. I was not even able to declare a party affiliation in ANY of those states. They just don't have a spot for it anymore on the registration application.

    But, about the young folks. The media always reports that the democrat candidate will get a lot of votes when the youth get out to vote. In fact, in 2004, they reported the highest ever youth vote turnout, which is why they were so surprised when John Kerry lost. Then, the media said it was a strong family values push at the end, even though family values was never discussed in the campaign. What really happened was that more people subscribed to the same line of thought that Bush did! The youth vote is not necessarily liberal. A lot of youngsters like freedom -- mayber that's why they vote conservative, because it preserves freedom.

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    Default Re: Does the GOP have a serious issue with voter turnout?

    My son is in law school and they gave him access to the Lexus Nexus civil database. Just enter a name and up pops your voter registration, blank, repub or demon.

    BTW gets you into a ton of dirt on people. Lists every criminal sanction you've had other than motor vehicle.

    Personjally, I think GOP apathy is directly related to the hurtin McCain has over everyone else. It's cold, wet, why bother, when the conclusion is known.

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