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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatantfoul11 View Post
    Check it out fellas - Being a Marine all we see is green . All our descendants come from some part of the world at some part in time. America is one big melting pot period . Wrestling in different parts of the world I would identify the teams by their Country - Japanese - Aussie - Chinese - Jewish - Canadian - African . I can keep going but you know what I never seen on any of these Teams - Were Americans . Do you know why - BECAUSE THEY WERE ON MY TEAM ! "SEMPER FI"
    Of course, when I first heard this, the follow-up was "Now, all you dark green marines line up over here, and you light green marines over here."

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    Poland burned Moscow. I know my country's history. Poles got what they deserved.
    Big, I make it a practice not to respond to your posts, because I see you as a troll, not to be taken seriously. However, here you go to far. You speak of your country's history and denigrate the history of the U.S. Please, speak to us of Russia and USSR history. Tell us of the 1 million Pols deported in 11/40, 30% of whom were dead by 1941. Even better, please justify the deaths of 2200 [I]cadets[I], many of whom were under 18 years old, in the Katyn Forest. They were not killed in combat, they were lead up to ditches and shot in the back of the head.
    While you are at it, explain the 7 - 11 million killed in the "dekulakization" and collectivization of the USSR. I guess we can ignore the Latvians, Estonians, and Lituanians killed, and the hundreds of thousands of Checkens, Tartars, Kalnyks, Volga Germans, etc. that Stalin killed in his ethnic cleansings - after all, their numbers pall in comparison to the estimates between 4.5 and 12 million who died in the Gulags between 1918 and 1956.

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    Richardson,

    Nobody shot Poles for no reason. Either they resisted something the Russians wanted to do or perhaps the Nazis killed them and blamed it on the Russians. That is what I hear from the Russian side.

    As to deaths during Stalin, he ruled in a tough time where his priority was to build a strong country. Everyone that resisted were enemies and hence needed to be eliminated.

    If I lived back then I would not dare to cross Comrade Stalin. He meant well. I would do my best to support him. I would live!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipster View Post
    This is a tricky one here. You can't pick and choose your race -- when you're X color and when you're not. If people don't want to be known as X color person, they should not then exalt their race (X colro pride).

    If people want color-blindness, we can certainly have that. That means that a person is not identified by his color and he makes no associations based on color. However, I think this is unlikely.

    We won't have a colorblind society until we can get rid of groups that associate because of color (NAACP, LULAC, KKK, etc.)
    I think you have expressed my feelings better than I could. I would like to be color-blind to the extent that I would feel comfortable using skin tone as nothing more than an identifier. I really don't care if someone is black, brown, yellow, red, etc. I do find it offensive when someone requires special priviledge based on ethnicity or skin color (or religion, sexual preference, etc.)

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    Don't forget Stalin liberated Poles and Jews from concentration camps. Not Americans. Comrade Stalin! Americans sat tight until 1942 and would keep sitting if not for Pearl Harbor!

    All of a sudden Americans are lovers of Jews and Poles. Where were Americans when Hitler burned them? Bush's grandfather was financing concentration camps. That's where!

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    Lets not pretend like its all great. Black people were slaves. Irish and Polish were not!
    No, the Irish fled the slavery and starvation they were enduring for over 1000 years by the hands of the Romans and then later the British.

    The Russians have no high ground here either if you look at their treatment of the Jewish people. That is why so many Jewish people have fled Russia even to this day.

    The Polish were trampled by both the Russians and the Germans in World War 2. Russia invaded Poland at the very start of World War 2 and took half of it while Germany took the other half. Russians used Poles for forced labor under Stalin. Stalin was no friend to the Polish people.
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    No, the Irish fled the slavery and starvation they were enduring for over 1000 years by the hands of the Romans and then later the British.

    The Russians have no high ground here either if you look at their treatment of the Jewish people. That is why so many Jewish people have fled Russia even to this day.

    The Polish were trampled by both the Russians and the Germans in World War 2. Russia invaded Poland at the very start of World War 2 and took half of it while Germany took the other half. Russians used Poles for forced labor under Stalin. Stalin was no friend to the Polish people.
    The point is Irish came to America to seek freedom. Blacks WERE BROUGHT to America to take their freedom away. Big difference.

    Germany was given a free hand in Europe. If Hitler offered Stalin a part of Poland who was Stalin to say no? He was no saint. Hitler also invaded Czechoslovakia and the West was happy to oblige. No need to blame this all on Stalin or Russia.

    It is hard for Russians to love Jews when Jews created Russian Revolution and communism and Russian people were told that was a bad thing by the West and then by Gorbachev. I think its sad but no more sad than American politicians and American people screaming foul that Obama might be Muslim.

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    The point is Irish came to America to seek freedom. Blacks WERE BROUGHT to America to take their freedom away. Big difference.

    Germany was given a free hand in Europe. If Hitler offered Stalin a part of Poland who was Stalin to say no? He was no saint. Hitler also invaded Czechoslovakia and the West was happy to oblige. No need to blame this all on Stalin or Russia.

    It is hard for Russians to love Jews when Jews created Russian Revolution and communism and Russian people were told that was a bad thing by the West and then by Gorbachev. I think its sad but no more sad than American politicians and American people screaming foul that Obama might be Muslim.
    You glossed right over the fact the Polish people were used as slaves by the Russians in forced labor camps. Stalin killed millions of his own people during the many "purges". Russians seem to be very happy to have a heavy handed leader who will dictate every facet of their lives and slay them out of hand or have them "purged" if they voice disagreement with the government.

    You seem very proud of the fact that voting in Russia seems to have no real meaning. I like the idea that a vote means something. But then I don't like dictatorships disguised as a "government for the people."

    I was pointing out about the Irish that they had endured slavery also. Not in America, but the Irish had endured it.

    Another point is slavery is wrong no matter who does it or who the victims of slavery are.

    In the matter of keeping peoples as slaves the Russian's hands are as dirty as any other of the current or past super powers!

    Actually Obama is a Christian. It would not matter to me personally if he was a Muslim.

    I would be bothered if Obama was a religious extremist of any religion but he is not.

    We have a current Congressman from Minnesota (Keith Ellison) who is the among the first Muslims ever to be elected to Congress. (If not the first)

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I can only echo the sentiments of many other on this thread, in saying that we should all see either Americans or just people in general. When any race starts to create some type of exclusiveness or separate themselves based on race it becomes hard to see them as anything but that race or religion for that matter. When we have things like black history month it puts the emphasis on the race and how they as an individual race have triumphed, instead of celebrating the accomplishments as Americans. I can blame white America for this in part because we feel bad or responsible for slavery when we had nothing to do with it, so in an attempt to make up for it we try to cater to black people. I heard on the radio the other day someone said we should vote for Obama because of slavery. So like I said I agree with the others on this thread.
    Your first sentence is fine. The rest is horseshit.

    We have 400 years of racism in this country. Now, you want to (1) say it doesn't exist today and (2) whatever happened in the past has no bearing and no influence on our society today. Whatever. It's fine for you as a white man to proclaim everything is hunk dory now. You have the power. You've always had the power. And you continue to assert your power by reserving the right to decide when people of color can speak out about injustice, past or present.

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