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    I remember as a kid, we had to research a famous African-American for black history month.

    Growing in Pittsburgh, my first choice was Roberto Clemente.

    He seemed "black" enough for me, but my poor teacher did her best to explain that he was Dominican and that although his skin is brown, he is not really part of black history.

    So, I picked my second favorite Pittsburgh sport superstar, Franco Harris

    My teacher explain that he is "half-black" , but she would allow it.

    I was so confused.

    When I found out his fan club was called Franco's Italian Army, my head was really spinning.

    It didn't make sense to me then and really doesn't make much more sense to me today.

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    That's funny, Ground. There's a lot of gray area in your black and white, huh?
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    Big you have to be careful talking with bluestater she will give you a negative mark for every post you make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestater View Post
    Oh, and one last thing, one of the sensitivities in using race as an identifier is that people often can do it unnecessarily. My aunts do this all the time. They'll tell a story where identifying race is not needed, yet they'll say "And then this black woman..." or "then this Mexican man..." (never Latinos, never Mexican-American, but whatever). AP has style guidelines to keep reporters from using this practice because it was happening all the time.
    This is a tricky one here. You can't pick and choose your race -- when you're X color and when you're not. If people don't want to be known as X color person, they should not then exalt their race (X colro pride).

    If people want color-blindness, we can certainly have that. That means that a person is not identified by his color and he makes no associations based on color. However, I think this is unlikely.

    We won't have a colorblind society until we can get rid of groups that associate because of color (NAACP, LULAC, KKK, etc.)

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    Caspian, I only gave you a few negative marks. I'm not the only one who dislikes your trolling. And since you think we're all "jokes," why do you care?

    Skip, I guess that's the thing - I think that we should all be proud of our backgrounds and who we are. (I'm also a little disturbed that you put the KKK in the same sentence as the NAACP.) A colorblind society makes us miss out on all the diversity this world offers. I'd rather a color-accepting society. If we lost all of the wonderful things different cultures brought to this country, think of all we would lose-in food alone ! Last week, I ate Indian, Thai and Mexican food - I'm glad the people who ran those restaurants have national pride! I think Maya Angelou said it best:

    “We all should know that diversity makes for a rich tapestry, and we must understand that all the threads of the tapestry are equal in value no matter what their color.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestater View Post
    A colorblind society makes us miss out on all the diversity this world offers. I'd rather a color-accepting society. If we lost all of the wonderful things different cultures brought to this country, think of all we would lose-in food alone ! Last week, I ate Indian, Thai and Mexican food - I'm glad the people who ran those restaurants have national pride! I think Maya Angelou said it best:

    ?We all should know that diversity makes for a rich tapestry, and we must understand that all the threads of the tapestry are equal in value no matter what their color.?
    Good post, Bluestater. I'm glad that many good points were raised by this topic and thank you all for chiming in. I agree that our diversity (not just racial and cultural) is a large part of what makes America great. My original point, however, was that whatever our background or heritage, we are now Americans - period. We can embrace and be proud of our ethnicity, but it must be kept distinct from our nationality. That's why I object to hyphenated ethnic or racial terms like "Afro-American."
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    I don't have a problem with recognizing races and racial pride. But, if that is the way we want things to be, we can't be upset when people refer to others by race. Some claim that race and background don't matter. If that were true, why have pride in it? It seems like some people emphasize that they're not different than anybody else, then turn around and want to embrace their differences. If they want to be considered the same, they should probably quit emphasizing differences. If they want to embrace differences, they should probably quit clamoring for total equality.

    Personally, I don't think that we can totally take race out of society. If someone is X color or Y color, that is just how it is -- just like someone wearing a blue shirt or black shoes -- its merely a descriptor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipster View Post
    I don't have a problem with recognizing races and racial pride. But, if that is the way we want things to be, we can't be upset when people refer to others by race. Some claim that race and background don't matter. If that were true, why have pride in it? It seems like some people emphasize that they're not different than anybody else, then turn around and want to embrace their differences. If they want to be considered the same, they should probably quit emphasizing differences. If they want to embrace differences, they should probably quit clamoring for total equality.

    Personally, I don't think that we can totally take race out of society. If someone is X color or Y color, that is just how it is -- just like someone wearing a blue shirt or black shoes -- its merely a descriptor.
    One problem with embracing differences is that it can lead to racial stereotypes where people are prejudged according to their ethnicity. In society, unfair as it is, we, conscously or unconsciously, give preference to people who are tall, good looking and not overweight. We can't be blind to people's differences, but we can try to let everyone start on a level playing field and have them succeed or fail based on their individual abilities. BTW, that's what's so great about sports in general and wrestling specifically.
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    I can only echo the sentiments of many other on this thread, in saying that we should all see either Americans or just people in general. When any race starts to create some type of exclusiveness or separate themselves based on race it becomes hard to see them as anything but that race or religion for that matter. When we have things like black history month it puts the emphasis on the race and how they as an individual race have triumphed, instead of celebrating the accomplishments as Americans. I can blame white America for this in part because we feel bad or responsible for slavery when we had nothing to do with it, so in an attempt to make up for it we try to cater to black people. I heard on the radio the other day someone said we should vote for Obama because of slavery. So like I said I agree with the others on this thread.

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