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    Scott prison has to be a punishment. If they get treated better when they are in and have better things what is the deterrent for them to stay out. I am all for educating them for a vocation or whatever but when they start living better than I do its a joke. I know you have worked with some inmates mostly juveniles I believe (correct me if I am wrong please) and I am related to many felons, so you know just like I do prisoners run the prison. That is a scary thing and it is hardly punishment. Take my uncle who is/was a prominent member of the AB in a very rough prison, when he got out he told me it is easier for him to make money and get what he wants behind bars than it is on the outside with a legit job.

    Some of the people in prison are just scum, period and should be treated as such. It would make it easier on us if they would just put child molesters in general population and let the natural progression of things take place. That way that cant appeal there way to a ripe old age.

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    I have watched all of the MSNBC shows and have been to prison's both female and male to visit family and no its not better than what I have. I was exaggerating to make a point. My point is that if you are on the outside and work but cant pay your rent you are on the street, cant pay the heating bill then freeze cant afford cable oh wee that's a luxury. But if you go to prison you get all of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgallan View Post
    FWIW Ironwood is level two..... most inmates prefer the level two Ironwood over the level three Chuckawalla, because they hate those dormatories. Most of my students are inmates..... you know what is the biggest obstacle to their getting an education and maybe having a chance on the next go around? The Union. You know what the biggest obstacle once they get out..... a brutal society that says, "yeah you did you time but that is not enough no you get the ""excon"" obstacle as well".

    Typical of a blood vengence type society. Yeah thre isn't any real blood.... but the concept is the same.
    I would agree that people who have served their time should not have to be punished forever. If they can do their probation and stay straight I want them to succeed

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    But if you go to prison you get all of those things.

    But you forgot about what you have to do to get those things. No privacy. Strip searches daily. No modesty at all. Cellies who you may not like. Days or week long lock downs. Keeping your head on a swival so as not to get shanked. "Having" to risk your parole to "join teams". Most people I know, actually almost everybody I know, would not consider this "good" even if they got three hots and a cot and a little TV.
    I am 49, bald, ugly, and don't own a single cool thing. Kids like me though.

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    One question Sott, are the majority of prisoners first timeers or are they frequent guests in prison.

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    It's a trick question...... if you put me into prison as an 18 year old for a two year stint, I am pretty sure, given what I was like at that age, I would have been a repeat visitor. Why do I say this? Like you said..... I have family and friends I have seen go this route which suggests as much. It is a self perpetuating cycle in a society that feeds the cycle.
    I am 49, bald, ugly, and don't own a single cool thing. Kids like me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgallan View Post
    But if you go to prison you get all of those things.

    But you forgot about what you have to do to get those things. No privacy. Strip searches daily. No modesty at all. Cellies who you may not like. Days or week long lock downs. Keeping your head on a swival so as not to get shanked. "Having" to risk your parole to "join teams". Most people I know, actually almost everybody I know, would not consider this "good" even if they got three hots and a cot and a little TV.
    If you want to enjoy the freedoms you get on the outside, you know what you have to do. I have grown up around the corrections system. My father was a jailer for many years. No one is jail or prison will tell you he didn't know his actions could get his freedoms taken away.

    Bottom line, these people know how to keep their freedoms if they want them. When we go soft on them, they end up infringing on the freedoms of others -- innocent people.

    You can scream until you're blue in the face that this is a callous and heartless nation because we put people in prison for committing crimes. But, I wonder if you'll sing the same tune if you are ever on the wrong end of the crime. Will you still call for easy treatment and little or no jail time if someone harms you or your loved ones?

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    Bottom line, these people know how to keep their freedoms if they want them.

    Exactly, it's not a difficult concept to comprehend.

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    Those actions would not indicate that you are a product of this society; rather, they indicate that you are a product of your own callous and vicious ways.

    A product of this society would not take the law into his own hands, but he would let the legal system handle the situation, because this is a nation of laws.

    This is also a nation of freedom, in which you determine your own actions. You don't get to shun responsibility and say "society made me do it," which is what it means when you say you are a product of society.

    This post has shown that you are a hypocrite. You have not grounds to call others callous and heartless when you advocate doing those things yourself.

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