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  1. #55

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    jensens i think that might be because Americans live in a fiarytale world, i never realised how stupid Americans were untill i spoke to them on the internet. Let me guess you live in paradise, you are the protectors of freedom and you have only ever done good, people hate your freedom, you are the smartest, toughest and just the best at everything.
    The American fairytale. Shouldn't you be swearing allegiance to your flag....


    Skipster the Eu has the strongest and most stable economy, right now the American economy is very unstable. So you are wrong!

    I will break it down for you. America has a huge national debt! America does not have to pay back this massive debt because there is a high demand for American dollars.
    If there was little to no demand for these American dollars, the bank manager (China) would be sending America some threatening letters.

    Then America has to pay back all these debts it has, meaning there is less money to spend on America's education, military etc

    Not only that but because there was a change from the American dollar to other currencies to buy oil, there would be a huge amount of American dollars on the market that are now not needed. There will be a huge supply of the American dollar and not much demand, essentially making the dollar extremely weak.
    Then America will have to buy its oil in a more expensive currency, meaning the cost of oil will go up for Americans and that will have a knock on effect for all goods in America.

    So essentially, you will have a weak currency, everything will be very expensive, your assets will be bought up, and there will be a huge cut in public spending.

  2. #56

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    If the oil was sold in Euro's, the demand would not drop. Oil would only become more expensive for Americans, it would remain the same for the rest of the world.
    The Euro as a currency would become a lot stronger because of high demand.

    If oil stopped being sold in dollars, America would be screwed. It would be like Russia at the end of the cold war. America would be the biggest car boot sale in the history of man, everyone would buy American companies.

    My opinions are backed up by my brother who is studying economics so.....

    take it for what it is.

  3. #57

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    jensens i think that might be because Americans live in a fiarytale world, i never realised how stupid Americans were untill i spoke to them on the internet. Let me guess you live in paradise, you are the protectors of freedom and you have only ever done good, people hate your freedom, you are the smartest, toughest and just the best at everything.
    The American fairytale. Shouldn't you be swearing allegiance to your flag....


    No, you don't hate America, you just think Americans are stupid and arrogant. I'm glad we now see the distinction.

    Flop the nuts i don't hate jews, however as a half Iranian i do believe many jews hate my people as they keep making anti Iranian propaganda and trying to incite war against Iran. Between us and them i choose us.

    Ahmadinejad (Iran Prez) has said that he wants to remove Israel (and assumedly, the people who live in Israel) from the map. I'm sure he loves all of the other Jews though. He just has an issue with the ones who happen to live in Israel.

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    My opinions are backed up by my brother who is studying economics so.....

    I've tried to think of something funny to say in response to that, but I'm just going to let that one stand on it's own.

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    flop the nuts its not about what Ahmadinejad, its about a propaganda war against Iranian people and trying to incite a real war against Iran.

    What Ahmadinejad said was an incorrect interpretation and were not his real words. However a Jewish minister has just said he wants Israel to commit a holocaust against palestinians. I wonder if that will run as many rounds at your conservative club.

    Jewish Americans create a lot of anti Iranian propaganda, but i think in real terms they are only hurting themself, i always used to wonder why so many people hate the jews and although i don't, i definetly understand now.

    Flop the nuts, consulting people with a knowledge of economics is good when you are discussing economics. He did laugh at skipsters analysis, skipster has everything the wrong way round..... but as long as it favours America, skipsters happy.

    In fairness flop, the majority of the world thinks of American's as stupid and arrogant. Perhaps there is a reason for this....

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    flop the nuts its not about what Ahmadinejad, its about a propaganda war against Iranian people and trying to incite a real war against Iran.

    What Ahmadinejad said was an incorrect interpretation and were not his real words.


    Ahmadinejad is the President of Iran, how does it not matter what he said? As far as his remarks being misinterpreted - he has said the same thing multiple times. How should we interpret it?

    Flop the nuts, consulting people with a knowledge of economics is good when you are discussing economics. He did laugh at skipsters analysis, skipster has everything the wrong way round..... but as long as it favours America, skipsters happy.

    You haven't really established your brother's bona fides, so his reaction to Skipster's posting is irrelevant. If you want five different opinions on the economy, just get five economists in the same room.

    Debt - It would be great if the debt was lower, but it is what it is. The debt is high in nominal terms, but not so high when looked at historically as a percentage of GDP.

    Strength of the US dollar - It's all relative. The US dollar has been strong for very long, now it's moving into a period of relative weakness to many other currencies. As I said before, I think we're moving into a recesssion, so you can expect dollar weakness going into (and during) a recession. It's not the end of the world though. Anyone who has been "studying" economics for more than the most recent semester can tell you that all economic indicators move in cycles.

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    Flop the nuts.
    The way i see it is simple.

    America wanted the destruction of the USSR, Iran dislikes Israel in the same way. Iran has many jewish people living there in freedom and judaism is a protected religion.

    Iran rejected the apartheid in South Africa and equally rejects the apartheid state of Israel, unlike America who supported both. So clearly Iran does not hate jews, Iran dislikes apartheid states.


    Flop the nuts you are saying i am wrong and then agreeing with me. America will become weaker and Europe stronger, this is inevitable. What we need next it to change the currency of oil to Euro's.

    I think this is essential. It will establish a new dominant superpower, one which has higher value for respect and freedom and not just of its own people. While castrating America's ability to wage wars and use economic bullying.

  8. #62

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    Caspiantiger,

    The US military is doing a great job in Iraq. They are fighting insurgents from around the middle east and they are establishing a free Iraq. I know because of your hatred for the US that it is hard for you to see them doing any good but the studies have shown they are making great progress. If they weren't you sure would hear about it in our Liberal media (they love to point that stuff out).

    "In fairness flop, the majority of the world thinks of American's as stupid and arrogant. Perhaps there is a reason for this...."

    There are also a lot of people in the world that admire the US and feel they are a great country. I have spent a lot of time overseas and what i have seen was nothing but admiration towards the US. Now I understand that it was just a small sampling of the worlds population but it holds true for those people. Yes even some of those people were in Europe.

    Believe it or not there is a large portion of the world that don't like Europe very well also.

  9. #63

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    Flop the nuts you are saying i am wrong and then agreeing with me. America will become weaker and Europe stronger, this is inevitable.

    The U.S. currency has become weaker, and the EU has become stronger. The strength or weakness of a currency is a relative measure. Both can't move in the same direction, if you're only comparing two currencies. Monetary movements don't translate into long-term weakening or strengthening of countries. The US will benefit from a weak dollar, just as we benefited from a strong dollar.

    While I'd like to see the dollar remain strong, I'm happy that some other countries and regions that don't rely primarily on oil revenues are finally getting their economic act together. I look forward to when the EU countries and the BRIC countries can kick in their fair share of economic and military aid around the world. We've carried the ball for too long, and we need to reallocate much of our international expenditures to domestic expenditures.

    By the way, you may need to bone up on the history of how countries act when they are superpowers. Throughout history, superpowers have always been accused of acting unilaterally, and in many cases it's been an accurate portrayal. When Europe was in power, they acted in the best interests of Europe first and foremost. It's not unique to the US. Your hope for a new dominant superpower that will have "higher value for respect and freedom and not just of it's own people" is naive.

    Not that you asked, but here's a book that discusses the history of the superpower.

    [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Paradise-Power-America-Europe-World/dp/1400034183/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204566096&sr=1-2"]Amazon.com: Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order: Robert Kagan: Books[/ame]

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