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    Default Re: Somebody please stick a fork in Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieJ2 View Post
    What do you predict will happen in Ohio? What's the word on the street there?

    I'm sure the word here in Columbus is quite different from the word in Cleveland or Cinci.

    Columbus is different because it's very white collar compared to the other major cities in Ohio. Not much in the way of manufacturing here, so we haven't been as hard hit in the last ten years jobs wise. Most of those jobs went away 20-25 years ago here. The only major manufacturing jobs are at the Honda plant in Marysville, but it's not union. Columbus is also very much a college town, so that adds another element to the puzzle demographics wise. OSU isn't all that liberal, but as with most campuses it leans to the left a little.

    I work on campus, so what I hear a lot of is the enthusiasm for Obama, but that's to be expected. I have to admit that I never really felt a big buzz for Hillary. I think she tends to do better in places that are more blue collar and union.

    We've got our share of the 30%'ers that still support W, and those folks were buzzing about Romney before he dropped out.

    I can't really make much of a prediciton. I'm certain that Obama will win my congressional district, and will take central Ohio, but as for places like Toledo, Cleveland/Akron/Youngstown, and Cinci I'm betting those will be very close. I'll have to see how things are after the debate tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieJ2 View Post
    In that line of thought - I'm really hoping not to see Obama in a hunting jacket. John Kerry looked so out of place in that jacket he wore, like THAT would make him a regular guy.
    Like Dukakis being filmed riding in a tank to be prove he was tough on defense.

    This one picture sums up his mismanaged campaign more than anything


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    I'm not seeing your photo, ODH, just a red X.
    "All my life I have tried to pluck a thistle and plant a flower wherever the flower would grow in thought and mind." -- Abraham Lincoln

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    Quote Originally Posted by slayer View Post
    My friend, I can only speak for me. As I have said, I don't care what the gender is, I would use the same word, much as I would use the word hysterical if need be. George W has thrown several tantrums in my opinion. He has even bordered on trying to cause hysteria, while not being hysterical per se. If I was you, I would be less concerned with semantics and more concerned with "actuality" (new word created by TruTV).
    I'm concerned with ideas and meaning. I have no idea what you mean by actuality other than it's some concept inside your head.

    I asked a simple question: whether a male candidate would be accused of having a tantrum--implying, of course, there is a double standard in play. You keep wanting to turn my question into a judgment about Clinton's action--which I haven't seen, but even if I had, isn't what my question is about.

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    The fact that you have not seen the video, but let an article inform you is troublesome.
    How so?

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    The answer to your question, matlcone, is YES, men can and have been accused of having tantrums. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) has been occused of having a tantrum (Senator Ted Stevens Throws Tantrum on Senate Floor -- http://www.lp.org/yourturn/archives/000129.shtml )

    An ABC News blog accused Fred Thompson of having a tantrum during a December debate (Thompson Debate Tantrum: 'Monkey Business' -- http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...on-debate.html )

    Alan Keyes has also accused of having a tantrum in the Iowa primary when he ran.

    Men have been accused of tantrums in the past -- there is no double standard here.
    Last edited by skipster; 02-26-2008 at 03:56 PM.

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    Matclone, if you want to play the double standard card then be my guest.

    It appears that anything smelling of negativity towards Ms. Clinton would be suspect in your mind I guess.

    All you have to do is watch the video, and you will see someone almost imploding in anger. Then again, you don't want to watch it, you would rather play the "Woman as victim" card and get your data from the written word. That's just plain lazy IMO.

    As Skipster pointed out, your theory is flawed by emperical evidence to the contrary, be it in politics or not.

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    Default Re: Somebody please stick a fork in Hillary Clinton

    Here's a nice little montage of the rants


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlbewRQOyA8

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    Default Re: Somebody please stick a fork in Hillary Clinton

    slayer: another dullard who sees no sexism or any other form of injustice in America--'cept for anyone who might possibly make a false claim thereof--yet somehow manages to find a political opponent around every tree. You have plenty of company. I'm guessing you haven't a clue what I think about Mrs. Clinton. But you are free to speculate. And you do.

    I didn't offer a theory. I just asked a question. And one that wasn't all that complicated. Sometimes questions can be the most difficult thing to deal with.

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    Default Re: Somebody please stick a fork in Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieJ2 View Post
    I'm not seeing your photo, ODH, just a red X.
    It is supposed to be a photo of Dukakis in his tank. Let's see if this link works:


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