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    If they are just using the building and there is no affiliation at all with the school, it's not quite so bad. But if it is sponsored by a teacher and takes place just before or after school (not at night or on weekends), and is intended for students, then it walks and quacks like a school supported activity.
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    Religion in schools is opium to students. We wouldn't want students to do drugs in school. Why allow religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VakAttack View Post
    Now you're going to an extreme. The KKK is directly responsible for constant violence and hatred, whereas a group of Christian kids, Muslim kids, Jewish kids, etc getting together to pray is completely different.

    Just because religion is not something you (appear) to subscribe to, doesn't mean it has to be the same for others.

    A separation of Church and State resides in fact. That is, a State institution can not, in reality, promote any particular religious belief. However, you can't control how people are going to construe things. Public perception has little to do with it. The school is not, in fact, supporting or promoting one religion over others, even though you appear to construe it that way. They are not funding them. They give equal opportunity for the students to gather.

    I'm not saying that the KKK is equivalent to a group of kids praying. I'm saying that making something voluntary doesn't change whether or not it should be in the school in the first place.

    I don't agree that this activity doesn't support or promote religion. Even if all religions were allowed to meet (as I'm sure they would be if they asked - well maybe not Wicca), the school is getting involved in religion. Schools should not be involved in religion. That's not their job. It's the job of the church and the family.
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    I did a little research.

    I found that legally, teachers can be present at such meetings only as supervisors. They are not supposed to lead or instruct the group.

    This only applies if the school recognizes the group as an offical school "club".
    (BTW the school must allow religious clubs if the allow any clubs at all)

    A loophole exists if the school doesn't have "clubs". Then the religious groups can claim to be a "community group". In this case, teachers can take a leading role.

    At least this is the way I understand it.

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    I disagree and I will say that people or institutions cant be afraid to allow certain things because they are afraid of perception. Schools celebrate Black History month does that mean they are promoting or supporting Black students over other ethnicity's. At my school they also had a club just for black males I didn't feel like my school like them better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    (BTW the school must allow religious clubs if the allow any clubs at all)
    That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard (at least this month). To continue the analogy I used before, would they allow a pro-racism club? No, because it's inappropriate. Well, so's a religious club, but for different reasons. How many ways can I say it - religion does not belong in public schools. Why not? Because it is an arm of the government endorsing a (or many) religious belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I disagree and I will say that people or institutions cant be afraid to allow certain things because they are afraid of perception. Schools celebrate Black History month does that mean they are promoting or supporting Black students over other ethnicity's. At my school they also had a club just for black males I didn't feel like my school like them better.
    Black isn't a belief or faith that you believe in or you don't. It's a race that we all agree exists.
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    This is from the FCA (Fellowship of Christian Athletes) website
    http://image.teamfca.net/siteuploadf...D1DBD4F824.pdf

    Q What recourse does FCA have if the school refuses to recognize FCA as a
    student club?

    A If your school denies an FCA club equal access to resources or facilities, or has
    established restrictions that infringe upon your freedoms of speech or religion, you should meet
    with your principal or dean to discuss the matter and request a resolution. The Alliance Defense
    Fund (“ADF”) can provide documentation to help you explain the law. Should school officials
    still refuse to adjust their policy or practice, ADF can write a letter on your behalf to ask that the
    school officials correct their actions, and then look into the possibility of litigation in court if the
    school persists in its unlawful conduct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    Black isn't a belief or faith that you believe in or you don't. It's a race that we all agree exists.
    You don't agree that religion exists? I was saying that just because the schools allow these groups doesn't mean that they are promoting one race over another, even though they will not allow a white male club on campus because of the racial perception of it.

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