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    Chance,

    Let me ask you one thing:

    Why don’t we ever hear in America the media and politicians talking about how brave Soviet Union under Stalin fought to defeat Hitler? Don’t you think any unbiased reporting would include that as well as Stalin causing deaths?

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    Chance actually Stalin was Georgian not Russian.
    Although he did not have much mercy for his own people Georgians either.


    The Russians soldiers are only as brave as any other soldiers, it was the infrastructure that Stalin built that saved Russia, and made it a power many years after he died. They still use things in russia he built, today.

    I am talking about Gulags not post world war 2. I am discusiing the 5 year plans.

    Americans often don't hear this number because they are under a false belief they defeated Nazi germany, but it was mainly Russia who contributed to Germany's loss, they destroyed 75% of the army. In the west Russia's sacrifice is often played down due to the cold war.

    Stalin sent his son to die, unlike most world leaders, who often get very rich and make their family very rich from war.


    Chance i am curious when Israel gave land back to the palestinians? i only recall Israel giving back land in Gaza only to steal more land in the west bank. Which was a diversary tactic so they could take more land. Don't worry though the papers were full of Israel giving back land, they didn;t mention they took more from the west bank.

    I don't believe America is a very free society and i personally belive they use this concept of freedom/democracy to further their goals of not only limiting other peoples freedom but also to control other people


    When countries have disasters they send help to each other, its not a huge contribution by America. Even Iran offered to send aid to America to help them with the Katrina disaster. Aid goes both ways.
    I believe after the Tsunami America was criticized for sending so little. They are happy to send billions to Israel to buy arms though.

    I always laugh when Americans say they give billions of aid, the vast majority is so Israel can buy arms. That is not aid.

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    Also when the Germans looked like they were gonoing to take Moscow Stalin stayed, any other world leader would have fled. Stalin stayed because he knew if he fled it would be a huge moral defeat and his people woulb crumble. Not like Bush sitting millions of miles away from danger.

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    Chance actually Stalin was Georgian not Russian.
    Although he did not have much mercy for his own people Georgians either.

    how can you defend a man that killed that many innocent people...that is like defending Hitler.

    The Russian people have a lot to be proud of why defend a tyrant? It would be like me defending the men who slaughtered the Native Americans. Hey each country has had bad rulers or military men who did bad things. You don't have to defend them though.

    The Russians soldiers are only as brave as any other soldiers, it was the infrastructure that Stalin built that saved Russia, and made it a power many years after he died. They still use things in russia he built, today.

    The Russian soldiers were very brave and fought hard even though they barely had the arms to fight with.

    In Germany they still use things that Hitler built. What's your point. In South Africa they still used things the oppressive govt there built. Shall I go on.

    Also is Russia still a communist country? I guess his ideas and everything didn't really work.


    I am talking about Gulags not post world war 2. I am discusiing the 5 year plans.

    Americans often don't hear this number because they are under a false belief they defeated Nazi germany, but it was mainly Russia who contributed to Germany's loss, they destroyed 75% of the army. In the west Russia's sacrifice is often played down due to the cold war.

    World War 2 was a combined effort to defeat Nazi Germany. I believe either side could have eventually defeated the Nazi's but it would have cost a lot of lives. You can make an arguement either way as to who had the bigger impact but the bottom line is that combined on both fronts the "Allies" (and during WW2 that included Russia) defeated the Germans.

    I don't know where you got the information that Americans only think we defeated the Germans. That sure was not taught that way when I was in School or when I studied WW2 in college.

    Stalin sent his son to die, unlike most world leaders, who often get very rich and make their family very rich from war.

    Leaders around the world have had sons fight in different wars. Guess what even leaders/Rich in America had sons fight and die in wars.

    Chance i am curious when Israel gave land back to the palestinians? i only recall Israel giving back land in Gaza only to steal more land in the west bank. Which was a diversary tactic so they could take more land. Don't worry though the papers were full of Israel giving back land, they didn;t mention they took more from the west bank.

    Let me ask you how could they have taken more from the West Bank when they took all that land back in the series of wars during the 60's and 70's (I apologize i can't remember what war took the west bank and in what year).

    I don't believe America is a very free society and i personally belive they use this concept of freedom/democracy to further their goals of not only limiting other peoples freedom but also to control other people

    We are a free society and can have conversations such as this and not get arrested or even worse killed.

    When countries have disasters they send help to each other, its not a huge contribution by America. Even Iran offered to send aid to America to help them with the Katrina disaster. Aid goes both ways.
    I believe after the Tsunami America was criticized for sending so little. They are happy to send billions to Israel to buy arms though.

    The US sends billions of dollars to countries around the world to help not just Israel. You are caught up on Israel. Got your point we send them money...not a secret. We send billions to Africa each year as well. We sent billions during the Tsunami more that most countries but still critized why?

    I don't remember Iran offering aid after Katrina but if you can show me a source that says that I will believe you.

    I always laugh when Americans say they give billions of aid, the vast majority is so Israel can buy arms. That is not aid.

    How is that not aid to give money to a country surrounded by enemies in order to protect themselves. Also please remember it was the muslims that started the wars that resulted in land taken from the palestinians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Chance,

    Let me ask you one thing:

    Why don?t we ever hear in America the media and politicians talking about how brave Soviet Union under Stalin fought to defeat Hitler? Don?t you think any unbiased reporting would include that as well as Stalin causing deaths?
    First of all you don't hear many in the main stream media talk about World War 2 unless it is close to memorial day. However if you watch the History channel they do talk about both countries and the sacrifices made by both during that war.

    You can't justify the actions of a tyrant because he led a country against and equally bad tyrant. Both leaders killed millions of innocent people and that is the facts.

    I believe the Russian people are good just as the German people are good.

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    Stalin killed people no more than American settlers killed Native Americans.

    I don't see America condemning George Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Stalin killed people no more than American settlers killed Native Americans.

    I don't see America condemning George Washington.
    Actually Stalin did kill more people than American Settlers killed Native Americans. A lot of the native americans killed were due to illiness. Damn that bacteria!!!

    As Americans we do not look at the way the native americans were killed with pride. In fact that one of the low points in our history. Also if you can tell me how many native americans and americans did George Washington order to be killed?

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    Chance,

    Most of the people that died under Stalin died of starvation because they either refused to work, destroyed crops, or had bad harvests due to weather. They were Ukrainians. Stalin was Georgian.

    I do not look at deaths as Stalin's high point. But in America George Washington is very respected.

    Percentagewise I suspect Washington helped kill as many Native Americans as Stalin killed in Soviet Union by sending them to Siberia.

    French and Indian War (Seven Years War)
    Main article: George Washington in the French and Indian War

    The earliest known portrait of Washington, painted in 1772 by Charles Willson Peale, showing Washington in uniform as colonel of the Virginia Regiment.In 1754, Dinwiddie commissioned Washington a lieutenant colonel and ordered him to lead an expedition to Fort Duquesne to drive out the French.[7] With his American Indian allies led by Tanacharison, Washington and his troops ambushed a French scouting party of some 30 men, led by Joseph Coulon de Jumonville.[15] Washington and his troops were overwhelmed at Fort Necessity by a larger and better positioned French and Indian force. The terms of surrender included a statement that Washington had assassinated the scouts and their leader at the Battle of Jumonville Glen. Released by the French, Washington returned to Virginia, where he resigned rather than accept demotion.

    In 1755, Washington was an aide to British General Edward Braddock on the ill-fated Monongahela expedition.[7] This was a major effort to retake the Ohio Country. While Braddock was killed and the expedition ended in disaster, Washington distinguished himself as the Hero of the Monongahela.[16] While Washington's role during the battle has been debated, biographer Joseph Ellis asserts that Washington rode back and forth across the battlefield, rallying the remnant of the British and Virginian forces to a retreat.[17] Subsequent to this action, Washington was given a difficult frontier command in the Virginia mountains, and was rewarded by being promoted to colonel and named commander of all Virginia forces.[7]

    In 1758, Washington participated as a brigadier general in the Forbes expedition that prompted French evacuation of Fort Duquesne, and British establishment of Pittsburgh.[7] Later that year, Washington resigned from active military service and spent the next sixteen years as a Virginia planter and politician.[18]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...n_Years_War.29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Chance,

    Most of the people that died under Stalin died of starvation because they either refused to work, destroyed crops, or had bad harvests due to weather. They were Ukrainians. Stalin was Georgian.

    I do not look at deaths as Stalin's high point. But in America George Washington is very respected.

    Percentagewise I suspect Washington helped kill as many Native Americans as Stalin killed in Soviet Union by sending them to Siberia.

    French and Indian War (Seven Years War)
    Main article: George Washington in the French and Indian War

    The earliest known portrait of Washington, painted in 1772 by Charles Willson Peale, showing Washington in uniform as colonel of the Virginia Regiment.In 1754, Dinwiddie commissioned Washington a lieutenant colonel and ordered him to lead an expedition to Fort Duquesne to drive out the French.[7] With his American Indian allies led by Tanacharison, Washington and his troops ambushed a French scouting party of some 30 men, led by Joseph Coulon de Jumonville.[15] Washington and his troops were overwhelmed at Fort Necessity by a larger and better positioned French and Indian force. The terms of surrender included a statement that Washington had assassinated the scouts and their leader at the Battle of Jumonville Glen. Released by the French, Washington returned to Virginia, where he resigned rather than accept demotion.

    In 1755, Washington was an aide to British General Edward Braddock on the ill-fated Monongahela expedition.[7] This was a major effort to retake the Ohio Country. While Braddock was killed and the expedition ended in disaster, Washington distinguished himself as the Hero of the Monongahela.[16] While Washington's role during the battle has been debated, biographer Joseph Ellis asserts that Washington rode back and forth across the battlefield, rallying the remnant of the British and Virginian forces to a retreat.[17] Subsequent to this action, Washington was given a difficult frontier command in the Virginia mountains, and was rewarded by being promoted to colonel and named commander of all Virginia forces.[7]

    In 1758, Washington participated as a brigadier general in the Forbes expedition that prompted French evacuation of Fort Duquesne, and British establishment of Pittsburgh.[7] Later that year, Washington resigned from active military service and spent the next sixteen years as a Virginia planter and politician.[18]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...n_Years_War.29
    First of all I do not see where it stated that George Washington killed over 12 million of his own people.

    Second please find a more credible source than wikipedia.

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