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    Default Re: There is a good explanation as to why McCain is the leader for Republican nomination

    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Are you really going to flat out lie about calling myself, skipster and I believe Flogging racists on more than one occasion. All you have to do is look at some of the immigration threads to see that you have.
    And you want me to answer your leading question, how?

    Here's how the conversation typically goes:

    MC: racism exists in the anti-immigrant movement
    Others: "Just because I'm concerned about blah blah doesn't mean I'm a racist", or (better), "He called (you, me, them) a racist!"

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    MC: (talking about race-sensitive issues like immigration but there is no direct reference to, or mention of, racism)
    Others: "Call me a racist if you want, but..."
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    Default Re: There is a good explanation as to why McCain is the leader for Republican nomination

    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Lately I agree Bush has out spent his welcome but all the indicators are that Hillary or Obama will start entitlement programs that with send the spending upward and make it impossible for us to control our debt issues.

    Huh? What indicators are those, am 850?
    (rhetorical phrases highlighted)
    The indicators are Hillary's own words, does mandated universal health care sound familiar.

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    Default Re: There is a good explanation as to why McCain is the leader for Republican nomination

    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    And you want me to answer your leading question, how?

    Here's how the conversation typically goes:

    MC: racism exists in the anti-immigrant movement
    Others: "Just because I'm concerned about blah blah doesn't mean I'm a racist", or (better), "He called (you, me, them) a racist!"

    or

    MC: (talking about race-sensitive issues like immigration but there is no direct reference to, or mention of, racism)
    Others: "Call me a racist if you want, but..."
    Clone I didn't want to get into this but I do recall one time you saying I liked putting pictures of my cute kids up but doubted I cared about brown babies. That to me sounds like you calling me a racist.

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    Default Re: There is a good explanation as to why McCain is the leader for Republican nomination

    Quote Originally Posted by ugly
    The indicators are Hillary's own words, does mandated universal health care sound familiar.
    Okay, that's much more specific and clearer. Still the rhetorical markers remain.

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    "Lately I agree Bush has out spent his welcome but all the indicators are that Hillary or Obama will start entitlement programs that with send the spending upward and make it impossible for us to control our debt issues."

    -Didn't the first Clinton have a bunch of "entitlement programs" he somehow managed to control our debt issues, so it isn't impossible
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    Entitlement programs have the potential to increase, as I suppose just about anything else does. But, debt isn't necessarily a problem (see debt thread). The problem with entitlements is that they crowd out private investment, which is how wealth is grown. Debt won't leave the next generation with more to pay, but crowding out investment could leave the next generation with less productive capacity.

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    Default Re: There is a good explanation as to why McCain is the leader for Republican nomination

    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Clone I didn't want to get into this but I do recall one time you saying I liked putting pictures of my cute kids up but doubted I cared about brown babies. That to me sounds like you calling me a racist.
    I didn't want to get into it either. I remember that discussion but I don't remember the specific context (which matters). No, I do not think you're a racist. It was probably my way of calling you uninformed or uncaring about a racial issue. I think we (of the dominate white class), myself included, all perpetuate racism in some fashion. It does not mean we all are racists.

    My comment about the election was just a reassertion of my theme that racism exists in America, and how it might manifest itself. If it doesn't resonate with you, or if you think its simply baloney, so be it. At least acknowledge the idea even if you don't agree and accept it in the spirit intended and not as a pretext for calling someone a racist.

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    I don't want to turn this thread into something other than what its author intended, but I do have a question. Since you stated that we of the dominate [sic] white class all perpetuate racism in some fashion, is it possible that those of other races perpetuate racism in some fashion? What would it take for you to declare that someone may not perpetuate racism in some fashion?

    Are you perpatuating racism because of your skin color and not your actions? Am I not able to perpetuate racism because of my skin color and not my actions?

    I do believe that racism may exist somewhere, but I don't think that it is very widespread. I would encourage you to at least acknowledge the idea, even if you don't agree with it, in the spirit intended and not as a pretext for calling someone a racist.

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    Default Re: There is a good explanation as to why McCain is the leader for Republican nomination

    McCain could defeat either Obama or Clinton in a head to head race. According to a variety of national polls it is very close. Please see below.

    In additon according to prominant Dems the way Obama and Clinton are going at each other they are hurting the chances of either winning the election. Either one will come out of this beat and bloody. Some of you (mainly the libs on here) will disagree but it came from the mouths of your own party members.

    John McCain (R) vs. Hillary Clinton (D)PollDateSampleMcCain (R)Clinton (D)SpreadRCP Average01/29 to 02/04-46.7%45.3%McCain +1.4% Time02/01 - 02/04958 LV46%46%TieCNN02/01 - 02/03974 RV47%50%Clinton +3%Cook/RT Strategies01/31 - 02/02855 RV45%41%McCain +4%ABC/Wash Post01/30 - 02/011249 A49%46%McCain +3%FOX News01/30 - 01/31900 RV45%44%McCain +1%NPR01/29 - 01/311000 LV48%45%McCain +3%See More General Election: McCain vs. Clinton Polls | Chart
    John McCain (R) vs. Barack Obama (D)PollDateSampleMcCain (R)Obama (D)SpreadRCP Average01/29 to 02/04-44.2%47.5%Obama +3.3%Time02/01 - 02/04958 LV41%48%Obama +7%CNN02/01 - 02/03974 RV44%52%Obama +8%Cook/RT Strategies01/31 - 02/02855 RV43%45%Obama +2%ABC/Wash Post01/30 - 02/011249 A46%49%Obama +3%FOX News01/30 - 01/31900 RV43%44%Obama +1%NPR01/29 - 01/311000 LV48%47%McCain +1%See More General Election: McCain vs. Obama Polls | Chart

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