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    Early in his Presidency, Bush was such a stumbling, bumbling speaker. Now, he delivers a speech pretty much without error. I can't figure out how he does it. It didn't look like he was reading from anything. Yet it seems improbable that he had the whole thing memorized.

    Just one comment (for now) on the content of the speech. I had to groan when he was talking about (and I paraphrase) "Health care decisions are between you and your doctor. Don't let the gov't make those decisions for you"--completely ignoring the 800 pound gorilla who really makes those decisions.

    Finally, he has been absolutely consistent from day one in supporting the interests of big business, and those were expressed again throughout his speech.

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    Bush never lets the government interfere when he makes decisions with his doctor. That is where he got the idea.

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    Yeah, when it comes to medical care, Bush doesn't have any middleman to deal with. How efficient.

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    I certainly don't think the current health insurance racket is the best way to go. But, it certainly is better than any form of government healthcare -- and has better doctor-patient relationship. My mother-in-law's brother in Canada coudln't get in to see the doctor when he had chest pains because his portion of the alphabet wasn't allowed to see the doctor for another 8 months. Or, if you like American examples, check out Walter Reed Medical Center, which is totally government-run. The conditions there are less than ideal.

    Ignoring the 800-pound in the room? Not hardly.

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    Skipster, you would lie to a dog, just so you could pontificate (and have someone listen), so to give yourself that grandiose feeling that you alone understand the secret to all universal truths.

    Completely missed the point of my gorilla analogy, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Skipster, you would lie to a dog, just so you could pontificate (and have someone listen), so to give yourself that grandiose feeling that you alone understand the secret to all universal truths.

    Completely missed the point of my gorilla analogy, eh?
    I understand the point of the gorilla analogy, but I would rather keep my 800-pound gorilla instead of having a 1,000-pound gorilla. Notice that I said that the current system is a racket and is not the best way to go.

    For evidence of that, just read this article about how the California legislature voted down a proposal to turn to government-run health care:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true

    "Sam Aanestad, an oral and maxillofacial surgeon from Grass Valley, said: "I don't think the status quo is so bad that we need to risk everything we've done to make medicine in California about the highest standard of care in the world.""

    As for your fixation with calling me a liar, please point out what part of my post to which you responded was a lie:

    I certainly don't think the current health insurance racket is the best way to go. But, it certainly is better than any form of government healthcare -- and has better doctor-patient relationship. My mother-in-law's brother in Canada coudln't get in to see the doctor when he had chest pains because his portion of the alphabet wasn't allowed to see the doctor for another 8 months. Or, if you like American examples, check out Walter Reed Medical Center, which is totally government-run. The conditions there are less than ideal.

    Ignoring the 800-pound in the room? Not hardly.


    If you can prove to me that there is a lie in that post, I will most certainly apologize and afford you the highest level of credibility. However, if you can not prove that there is a lie in that post, you have proven to this board that you discriminate based on who the poster is and judge people by name or past posts and not by what they write.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipster View Post
    please point out what part of my post to which you responded was a lie:
    Here is your lie I was referring to, scumbag:

    My mother-in-law's brother in Canada coudln't get in to see the doctor when he had chest pains because his portion of the alphabet wasn't allowed to see the doctor for another 8 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Here is your lie I was referring to, scumbag:

    My mother-in-law's brother in Canada coudln't get in to see the doctor when he had chest pains because his portion of the alphabet wasn't allowed to see the doctor for another 8 months.
    Why do you have to resort to name calling? It's really not needed and yet you seem to do it with much more frequency lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Here is your lie I was referring to, scumbag:

    My mother-in-law's brother in Canada coudln't get in to see the doctor when he had chest pains because his portion of the alphabet wasn't allowed to see the doctor for another 8 months.
    I should tell this fine lady that you know so much more about her family's situations than she does!!

    This is nowhere near a lie, it is the absolute truth!! They live in Winnipeg, a city of nearly 750,000 in Manitoba. According to her, doctors and hospitals operate on an alphabetical system in which they see patients with last names beginning with particular letters in certain months. Her brother was having chest pains, but was told he had to wait until his letter came up, which was 8 more months.

    My mother-in-law was having problems of her own and had been waiting for 3 months to see the doctor when she moved to the US to marry my father-in-law. She told us that she was amazed that she could get in to see the doctor in the US a week after calling and had numerous tests done the day of the visit.

    (By the way, she is doing much better now, THey have found why she was uncontrollably losing weight and have helped her. She has come back to 110 pounds after a low of 82 pounds.)

    But, those two are not the only ones I have heard of. My boss grew up in Calgary and lived there until he was 23. He told me of similar stories, including his own. There seems to be no proximity of care trouble, since these are big cities. They tell me that in nationalized health care systems, people just have to wait.

    I wish you would please research your positions, not pretend to know others better than they know themselves, and stop name calling when the facts refute your position.

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